Abortion: Your Views...

[Sasquatch]

Your posts are huge. Some of them have annoyed me.

I'm sure that breaks their heart.

I've noticed people using 'just put the kid up for adoption' as an argument. It really doesn't stand.

Putting a child up for adoption isn't a move viable choice than killing it?

Care services in most if not all western nations at least are overstretched as it is, and adding all these other unwanted children into it will merely exacerbate the problem.

Then instead of sending public funding to abortion mills, we can send some to child care facilities and adoption agencies. There's no shortage of Americans wanting to adopt children, it's just a pain in the ass to go through the process of application. Any high-schooler can get knocked up and keep their child, but a loving couple wanting to adopt has to go through years of red tape and being jerked around and checked and re-checked, just to be put on a list.

Besides, your "most if not all" is pure opinion.

Abortions don't just happen for no reason. They happen because the woman doesn't want to have a child, and that can be for a myriad of reasons.

Same with adoptions. Except an adoption doesn't result in the murder of an otherwise healthy human being.

None of us can possibly judge that. Abortion is a massive decision. Do you seriously think the woman doesn't know that that's her child growing inside of her?

So she knows it's her child and cares about it, but would rather have it cut into pieces and sucked out of her uterus than let it be raised by a loving set of parents?

Then there is also the question of who gets abortions. Here, it's mostly poorer people who end up being up the duff because they're thick and irresponsible, and usually young. We have enough societal problems without more children raised by children being brought into this world.

So if you can't get the dumbasses to be more responsible, leave them an option that does not involve them raising their children or murdering them. Like adoption.

If someone doesn't want to have a baby, chances are they're not going to be the greatest parent ever.

Which is why there's a system that allows for people to have a baby but not raise it.

Fate, abortions aren't going to ****ing halve the population or whatever it was you said.

No, but fifty million people is quite a few.

There are too many people on earth as it is, and it's not like abortions are new.

I think there are too many people in your neighborhood, so I'm going to kill a few of 'em.

Making them illegal is retarded, because they still happen when you do that - only they happen in backstreets and the women die from infection or complications.

Making something illegal just makes it dirtier? I guess we should legalize all drugs then, because the backstreet drug trade has tainted drugs that are dangerous! And meth labs can blow up and hurt people! We should legalize all guns, because some people try to make or alter guns, and something could go wrong and hurt them! We should repeal all driving laws, because some people get hurt running from the cops!

Too bad. They want to do something illegal, whose fault is it if they get hurt from it? Sure as hell ain't mine. Nor is it the government's -- it's not the government's job to protect people from themselves.

Fundamentally, it is the woman's right to choose. Nobody has any business removing that right. It's her body.

And the body of the child inside her.

Now, I do think there should be some way for fathers to stop a woman having an abortion if they want to keep the child and care for it, as that kid is as much his as it is hers, but legislation like that would be an absolute moral minefield.

So it's better to leave it up to the woman the choice of whether or not to kill her baby or have the father pay for eighteen years of its support, instead of make legislation that dictates that the father can seperate himself from the child if he so chooses, or keep the child himself if the mother doesn't want it?

Personally, I'm not sure I could ever do it. I use birth control for that very reason. I'm 19 and a university student. What kind of ****ing mother would I be? ... But still, having said all that, it would remain a huge decision, a life changing one. I could choose to continue as I am now with the shadow of a baby, my baby, my dead baby, hanging over me; or I could keep it and forsake my own life (and possibly my boyfriend's) for at least 5-10 years at the ripe old age of 19.

That means that you could do one of two things. Well, one of three. First, don't have sex. If you can't handle the consequences, don't do it. Second, use birth control. If you're gonna have sex, do it responsibly. Third, if you were to get pregnant, instead of murdering your own child, you could let a loving couple adopt it and raise it right. Then you wouldn't be "forsaking" your life (you will find very, very few parents who will claim that their child ruined their lives), and you wouldn't be sacrificing the life of your own child for the sake of convenience.

I don't want to accidentally abuse a small person. That would kill me.

But murdering it, that's just fine.

It's not a small decision. Adoption is not a bin in which to deposit children you never wanted, and cannot raise.

But abortion is? There are laws in America which state that you can literally drop your baby off at certain places, within a certain number of days since its birth, and wash your hands of it. Drop it off with a birth certificate, and you'll never have to even see it again. Other people will take care of it -- people who want to take care of it.

That actually sounds pretty good to me. Every species puts in it's time. Humans haven't exactly been around for too long, but in the time that they've been in existence, they've waged petty wars for no particular reason than because they piss each other off, and they've desecrated Mother Earth, changing nature into a world which they built to support their trivial needs. I'm not really looking toward the extinction of the species, but rather, some type of spiritual enlightenment that helps humans to realize how stupid they actually are, as a way to civilize the little devils.

As you sit at your computer, probably at a desk made by chopping down trees, on a chair made from petroleum products, in an air-conditioned building, sucking up resources and electricity to post your opinion about how humans are evil because they suck up resources from "Mother Earth".

Every species changes nature "into a world which they built to support their trivial needs". Some species dig. Some species build. Hell, beavers dam entire rivers.

Not only that, but it's also illegal. Double jeopardy on court hearings isn't allowed.

Making something illegal isn't illegal. Double jeopardy is allowed in some circumstances. And abortion being illegal would have absolutely nothing to do with double jeopardy.