Abortion: Your Views...

[Unknown Entity]

To me, life starts at conception. If there was no conception, there is no life. Now to take someones life is against the law, and in some countries, you have to pay that life back with your own.

I believe abortion is murder in some cases. If you didn't want to be pregnant, then you clearly did something wrong. Abortion is the last thing you can do to stop a pregnancy, - there are condoms and pills and stuff. However, if the mother is at any danger to the pregnancy, then fair enough. If the mother is way to young to be having kids, fair enough, but keep in mind that if she thought herself big enough to have sex, she should be big enough to have kids.

Not only do I think this, but who would want to put themselves through the abortion process anyway? After watching a video at school of someone having abortion, I was totally shocked and mortified at what I was seeing.

I don't mean this thread to have any offence to anyone. I know I probably wasn't, but please be sensitive, ok?

[L Lawliet]

Some months ago abortion was legalized where I live, before it could only legally happen if the mother was in a life threatening pregnancy. The problem with this is that some younger people might start thinking that abortion is just another form of not having babies just like condoms and pills. I know this might sound a bit absurd but unfortunatly there are people who could think that and do it not even thinking in how it would affect them.
IMO it should only be allow if: the mother's life was in danger; the girl was too young (any age below 17); if she had been raped.

[Walter Sobchak]

if she had been raped.

Why? If a fetus is a living thing, being a product of rape does not change this. It is a way of pandering to this imaginary idea that there is moral and immoral abortion.

I am much more worried about the existence of the already living. People are starving, innocent people are being executed, and terrorism continues unfettered. But we need to save unborn babies from families that don't want them in the first place?

I am all for abortion. I would like to see young people be more knowledgeable about condom use, but with abstinence-only education, we don't have it. Forcing a baby to be born to a poor single mother doesn't help anyone. It doesn't help the mother, who has to work multiple jobs to support it, or the baby, who is either put in a foster home or is allowed to walk the streets and be absorbed by a criminal element.

On the other hand, I do personally feel a fetus is "alive". However, the purpose of life isn't to put my beliefs on other people. I leave that for everyone else.

By the way, even though I disagree with all three of you, it is nice to see new blood in ID.

[L Lawliet]

Why? If a fetus is a living thing, being a product of rape does not change this. It is a way of pandering to this imaginary idea that there is moral and immoral abortion...

Actually I think that there are times when it's completly wrong to abort and others where it should be allowes, moral and immoral abortion like you said.
What I meant in my first post is that IMO abortion shouldn't be allowed just because the mother wants to (when I said that people might start seeing aborting just like using condoms). Well, if she was raped then she didn't even have a choice. It's the same as someone pointing a gun at your head and make you raise a child, you didn't ask for it.

[Rainbow4vr]

i belive there are times where is ok and there are times when it is wrong. If your a teenage whore i think it should not happen. Its not a form of birthcontrol and they need to learn that. Now if a woman/girl gets raped then it should be an option, or if there is a medical emergency where the mother wont live then ok. I know there is no way to regulate why women are doing it, if you offer it to one you have to offer it to all. I just wish we can raise our children in the future to be smarter and to use protection.

[Phoenix]

I agree totally with L Lawliet. So far as I believe, I feel that abortion should only be permitted if the mother's life is in danger, or if the mother has been raped and feels as though she cannot bring up the child.

[Aerif]

Disagrees with post now - okay.

[vevuxking102]

I'm fine with Abortion, as I think a woman should choose. Again, a lot of times this issue gets religious with Christians, but the Bible never actually forbids abortions, but actually promotes them, as in forced abortions. I am of course not for that, but my Christianity aside, I think abortion is good. Though I don't think it should be first thing on a worried womans mind.

[L Lawliet]

I'm fine with Abortion, as I think a woman should choose. Again, a lot of times this issue gets religious with Christians, but the Bible never actually forbids abortions, but actually promotes them, as in forced abortions. I am of course not for that, but my Christianity aside, I think abortion is good. Though I don't think it should be first on a worried womans mind.

What? I know that sometimes it's the "best" option but certainly not good anyway. I may have misunderstood what you meant but you make it sound like it's actually a good thing to do.

[vevuxking102]

Well, what I meant by good was best. Sorry for not clarifying that. Personally, I could never find myself getting an abortion under any circumstances, but that's just me personally, and I don't believe that mindset should be enforced in medical situations.

[Lucid]

Here's a very good site about abortion and the Bible.
http://www.abortion-and-bible.com/

[Doc Rocco]

I'm anti-abortion. If you look at history of abortion here in Australia, it wasn't legalised until the late 1960's, but only if the mother's life was in danger. It was then allowed if it was for rape or mental health issues. Then any time in the first trimester, and more recently the second, but only in extraordinary circumstances. My point is, if we continue to decrease the restrictions on when a mother can abort a baby, how long is it before we can terminate the life of a human who is already born?

People justify abortions in the early stages of pregnancy as they say an embryo is not human. if we follow this logic, a 35 week old fetus is not human either, as it technically does not become human until birth. You cannot lawfully terminate a pregnancy at that stage, even though the baby is not technically human, so why is an embryo any different?

[Inagi]

There is a time and place for everything.
Abortion is a commonly needed thing, but it's also misused.

Does that make it a bad thing? No.
I think human morals these days are rediculous, we have our heads shoved so far up our asses it's almost like a game to see who can shove theirs farther.

The waiting line for adoption is rediculous, this country (And plenty of others!) do not need any more children that can't be taken care of.
Look at India, they have one of the worst populations ever. And the only reason China doesn't is because of the measures they took to prevent it, though their population is still huge.

You can say it's taking a life, you can say it's immoral, you can say that you'd gladly take care of the child.
But in the end, would you /really/ want to grow-up under a roof with an under-age mother who can't take care of you, or in a foster home with horrible parents, or in an orphanage?

I'd take death before birth over those.

[Heartless Angel]

My view on abortion varies with the circumstances. I think it's alright, if and only if...

• Pregancy occured due to faulty contraception, like a condom that ripped, or a pill that didn't work. If a cuple DID take the responsibity to try and avoid the pregnancy, shit luck shouldn't leave them stuck with a baby they didn't want.
• Pregnancy occured due to rape. I mean really, who the hell would want to deliver a rapist's child?
• The pregnancy puts the mother at risk for any reason.

There are probably other situations in which I'd say it's acceptable, but those are the ones that come to mind.

[RamesesII]

My view on abortion varies with the circumstances. I think it's alright, if and only if...

• Pregancy occured due to faulty contraception, like a condom that ripped, or a pill that didn't work. If a cuple DID take the responsibity to try and avoid the pregnancy, shit luck shouldn't leave them stuck with a baby they didn't want.
• Pregnancy occured due to rape. I mean really, who the hell would want to deliver a rapist's child?
• The pregnancy puts the mother at risk for any reason.

There are probably other situations in which I'd say it's acceptable, but those are the ones that come to mind.

Absolutely brilliant post Hearttless, it sums it up quite nicely I agree with these points to the full stop although I thought I might add one more point if I may

Financial difficulties- For example whether it be unexpected or accidental I think finance plays a large role in family's now days with having children take a family with four or so kids already and they accidentally get pregnant and they know they just can't afford it I believe they sould have the choice to have an abortion or not.

[Meier Link]

My view on abortion varies with the circumstances. I think it's alright, if and only if...

• Pregancy occured due to faulty contraception, like a condom that ripped, or a pill that didn't work. If a cuple DID take the responsibity to try and avoid the pregnancy, shit luck shouldn't leave them stuck with a baby they didn't want.
• Pregnancy occured due to rape. I mean really, who the hell would want to deliver a rapist's child?
• The pregnancy puts the mother at risk for any reason.

There are probably other situations in which I'd say it's acceptable, but those are the ones that come to mind.

The only point I would like to object to this one is the first bullet on your list. But then again to everyone is intitled to their opinion and I am not saying you are wrong by anymeans.

There are only 2 ways to be safe about not getting someone pregnant, that would to be to abstain from having sex or permanant sterilization. That's it, any other form of birth control being used has a human factor involved with it and is not a guarenteed form of birth control.

Knowing this the people that use contraceptives and what not should also know that there is a chance that even the most perfect condom has a less then 100% chance of success. Basicly what I am getting at here is the people having sex should know that it is not an absolute preventative for pregnancy so they assume the liability if the female becomes pregnant.

In short, in my opinion and I have said it 100 times, if you are going to have sex get ready to face the conciquances. It is a risk and the people should own up to it if they have an "accident".

Thats another term I don't understand, "an accident". Sex is suppose to be for procreation not recreation so how the hell is it an accident by any means. It is what the human body (or creature) act of mating is suppose to do.

[Sasquatch]

I'm with Aerif on this. Just because the child was unwanted -- for whatever reason -- doesn't mean anybody has the right to brutally murder it.

The only -- and I mean only -- way I could support the so-called "right" to abortion is when the mother's life would be in serious danger if the child was carried to full term. And that would be only if the possibility of removing the child alive didn't exist.

I have two serious problems with abortion -- besides the murder, ending of human life, etc. etc. First, the father has no right in the "choice". If a couple is together and the woman gets pregnant, the man has nothing to say about it. It's entirely up to the woman whether to have the child killed or to raise the child with a large percentage of the man's paycheck, taken from him by force. The second and bigger problem I have is that the entire definition of "life" used by pro-choicers has nothing to do with life itself, but the desire of the mother. Murder is still murder, whether somebody wants the victim to live or die.

EDIT:

Again, a lot of times this issue gets religious with Christians, but the Bible never actually forbids abortions, but actually promotes them, as in forced abortions.

Point this out, would you?

[Meier Link]

i am going to start by saying, i am deffianantly prochoice, not proabortion. i agree with sasquatch it should be the womans choice not anyone elses (with the exception of life threatening complications)

there are way to many varibles in this subject.

i am on second thought going to stir the pot a little

when you talk about "murdering" the fetus by means of abortion, is that the same as when a woman miscarries and her body naturally aborts the fetus? i know there is the variable of choice in that situation so i relaly dont want to hear you condem me for saying that. the point i am making here is that weather the woman conciously makes that decision or not it is going to happen.

now for more: doesnt the mother have a say so in the goings on with her body and what is contained in it, what makes it moraly wrong for her to do so? say you have a case of the crabs (i know haha yeah i said crabs..... actually no its not because im being serious) they are technicly a living organism so if you go by morality then wouldnt it also be a bad thing to get rid of your crabs?? where does the limitation to morality start and end and who made these decisions for us?????? (try to keep religion out of this one because that would be WWWAAAAAYYYYYY off topic)

now im getting back on my opinion, thats all it is BTW. like i previously stated it should be the mothers choice, as for reasoning it should be one of the 3 that have been stated 100 times over and over again. but all in all since i think it is the womans choice then i shall not pass judgement on her if she decides to do so its her body let her do what she wants with it.........

once again im done rambleing.....

[Aerif]

i am going to start by saying, i am deffianantly prochoice, not proabortion. i agree with sasquatch it should be the womans choice not anyone elses (with the exception of life threatening complications)

I don't know if your joking or not but you contradict yourself several times. Pro-choice = Pro-abortion, pro-choice allows the woman to abort, therefore if your pro-choice then you don't mind abortion. Thus pro-abortion.

Also Sasquatch says that he finds the fact that the woman is the only one with a say in the matter disagreeable. He wants the father to be able to support or not support the choice.

when you talk about "murdering" the fetus by means of abortion, is that the same as when a woman miscarries and her body naturally aborts the fetus? i know there is the variable of choice in that situation so i relaly dont want to hear you condem me for saying that. the point i am making here is that weather the woman conciously makes that decision or not it is going to happen.

Not all pregnancies end in miscarriages though, you say that you don't want to hear the choice argument but that's the main factor. If the doctor says that you may have a miscarriage it does not nesecarilly mean that the baby will die. Also, abortion is the interferance of a woman's womb, it's more natural for the baby to die of natural causes than for a doctor to shove surgical tools up the woman's 'birth area'.

now for more: doesnt the mother have a say so in the goings on with her body and what is contained in it, what makes it moraly wrong for her to do so? say you have a case of the crabs (i know haha yeah i said crabs..... actually no its not because im being serious) they are technicly a living organism so if you go by morality then wouldnt it also be a bad thing to get rid of your crabs?? where does the limitation to morality start and end and who made these decisions for us?????? (try to keep religion out of this one because that would be WWWAAAAAYYYYYY off topic)

A mother shouldn't be able to deny the right of life to her baby just because it is being incubated within her womb. Also, comparing a baby to pubic lice isn't the best metaphor in the world, by definition, 'murder' is the killing of another human being. Killing pubic lice is not murder, whilst killing an unborn baby is.

now im getting back on my opinion, thats all it is BTW. like i previously stated it should be the mothers choice, as for reasoning it should be one of the 3 that have been stated 100 times over and over again. but all in all since i think it is the womans choice then i shall not pass judgement on her if she decides to do so its her body let her do what she wants with it.........

once again im done rambleing.....

Now consider this for a moment, by comitting abortion you are terminating the life of a human being. This human being has a practically unrestricted potential and could grow up to be a lawyer, a doctor, a famous sports personallity. By killing off the fetus, you could be killing off the cure for cancer, the method for practical time travel, the solution to world poverty. Not only is abortion murdering the unborn child, it could also be the deciding factor for millions of lives. You shouldn't be allowed to take that chance, even if abortion wasn't murder to begin with.

[Sasquatch]

when you talk about "murdering" the fetus by means of abortion, is that the same as when a woman miscarries and her body naturally aborts the fetus?

Not at all. There are natural deaths (miscarriage in the womb, natural causes later in life) and murder (abortion in the womb, murder/manslaughter later in life), and there is a huge difference between the two.

now for more: doesnt the mother have a say so in the goings on with her body and what is contained in it, what makes it moraly wrong for her to do so? say you have a case of the crabs (i know haha yeah i said crabs..... actually no its not because im being serious) they are technicly a living organism so if you go by morality then wouldnt it also be a bad thing to get rid of your crabs??

As has been said, please don't try to compare a living human being to a pubic louse.

where does the limitation to morality start and end and who made these decisions for us??????

Human life. If you're trying to equate all life, then there's no difference in me slapping the spider in my shower this morning and me beating a complete stranger to death for no reason.

but all in all since i think it is the womans choice then i shall not pass judgement on her if she decides to do so its her body let her do what she wants with it.........

The child's body isn't the woman's body, and the child's life isn't the woman's life.

but as for your definition of murder why is the limitation only set to humans? lets say if some one tourchers, beats and decapitates a dog what would you call it?

Because the legal and moral definition of murder has prettymuch forever been only regarding humans. If somebody tortures, beats, and decapitates a dog, they would deserve to get the hell beat out of them or face some jail time, but there's a huge difference in decapitating a dog and letting a child be born to the point that his or her head is out of the birth canal and open to the world, then smashing a hose into it and sucking its brain out.

[Meier Link]

i realize most of that like i said i was just stiring the pot. in my case like i stated i am not for abortion but i am for the womans right to decide whats going on with her body.

the definition of prochoice varies on personal preference, obviously your veiw on prochoice = promurder/abortion, mine is not as i previously stated. seeing that there is a limitation set to the standard its hard to explain.

i am trying to see others veiws on the topic and trying to broaden the topic a little, i will very clearly say i dont agree with alot of the stuff i stated. BTW sorry i misread what sasquatch posted.

but as for your definition of murder why is the limitation only set to humans? lets say if some one tourchers, beats and decapitates a dog what would you call it?

[Furore]

I'm pro-choice.
I believe the decision should be that of the individual. There would be occasions that the would be human's conditions would really suck if they were born.
Personally I would do my best to protect a child of mine from being aborted, BUT that's just me. The thought of raising a kid one day almost excites me.

But yeah, I couldn't personally justify taking away a person's freedoms no matter how I felt on the matter.

(And on a lighter (non serious, and somewhat horrible) note, abortions could kill 2 birds with one stone. Not only could they stop a child from being born into an unloving family, the meat could be sold cheaply to starving people of poorer nations. Everybody wins!)

[winterborn86]

I belive in the 1st fing unknonw entity said, abortion is murder, even tho the babys not been born its still alive and gettin an abortion is killing it out of your own free will which makes it murder

If someone doesnt want a baby that bad, then they should have it put up for adoption, cos there are hundreds of people out there who cant have children and would give their right arm for a baby, an also you could end up gettin attched 2 the baby durning the pregnancy and end up wanting to keep it.

[Blitz King]

There are three questions that are basic to the entire abortion controversy:

The first is: "Is this human life?" As we will see, the answer clearly is Yes. That answer is a medical and scientific one, for we cannot impose a religious or philosophic belief in our nations through force of law.

The second question is: "Should we grant equal protection by law to all living humans in our nation?" or, "Should we allow discrimination against entire classes of living humans?"

I think in the United States if you will be sentenced to life in prison for killing a person you should not be allowed to get an abortion. to me an unborn child is already alive and breathing inside the mother. Therefore when you kill the baby it should be considered abortion.

The third question is about Choice and Women’s Rights.

I do think that the women had the right when she had sex on whether or not to have sex. when you have sex there is always a chance on getting pregnant.

[Meier Link]

ok do not twist my words you are the second person to do that. i never compared a fetus to pubic lice, i compare then sence of moratily and the definition of murder. i was asking about a "lesser form of life" (which is still a LIVING organism) and what the difference is between killing 2 LIVING things

[some guy]

I believe abortion is murder in some cases. If you didn't want to be pregnant, then you clearly did something wrong. Abortion is the last thing you can do to stop a pregnancy, - there are condoms and pills and stuff. However, if the mother is at any danger to the pregnancy, then fair enough. If the mother is way to young to be having kids, fair enough, but keep in mind that if she thought herself big enough to have sex, she should be big enough to have kids.

I believe its only murder if the being is conscious, where as this abortion, the child doesn't really have a say in the deal. You could say that the baby is living, but is it alive? It can't think or act, I realize that yes, its stuck in its mother but if to be murdered, you know your in grave danger, then I don't believe this is the case.

On the contrary to my statement above I do however believe its wrong, for the exact same reasoning, it cannot decide its own fate, technically it's the child that never was. It will never learn, laugh, play, smile, frown, cry or do anything else of any other matter. Saying one person hold the key to death and death is ONLY okay, before they have sex and create this. Until then, its just a simple case of killing someone, you cannot walk the streets and strangle the first person you find, when you find yourself in court explain "It was a 30 year over due abortion", though I probably used that in the completely wrong context. I just felt the need to say it.
But what I'm saying I'm against it, and that I would not plan on doing anything stupid without protection. Not only is that a waste of money but a waste of a human soul.

And what about the pain the women go through? I may not know much on the subject of childbirth but they get morning sickness, and there probably numerous other problems females get, and they're to go through this pain and just get rid of the baby? (that statement only applies if I'm not a moron)

Well thats just one persons opinion...

[Unknown Entity]

I believe its only murder if the being is conscious, where as this abortion, the child doesn't really have a say in the deal.

OK... but if someone were to be stabbed in the street, you wouldn't have a say in the the deal either.

That DOES NOT mean i compare abortion to being stabbed in the street! It was just an example, thats all, lol!

What i did forget to add in my part at the start was is that i could disagree with abortion all i like, but i have to admit, it can be used at times. I just think its really stupid when people constantly use abortion as a contraceptive - and trust me, it IS in the area i live in now. Abortion to me shouldn't be used so... freely. A lot of people i know have put themselve through this more than once, and you would have thought they would have learnt from the first time!

If it was used to, like some have said before, protect the mothers or babys life, and to abort a rapists child, then fair enough. Maybe if the mother is too young, but like i said before, if she felt big enough to have sex, she should think her self big enough to raise a child if she becomes pregnant - it seems to be an occupational hazard, having under-age sex, lol! Esspecially in my area...

[Draken Benvolaid]

Personally, I'm ProLife. I can't pick the other as..., I'd be dead if it was...

I was adopted and several of my friends were adopted too.

I can't choose it over life, because it's not just your life you then hold in your hands. You are two for only a short time. If you can't support the child, then give them to adoption groups.

Yes, there is a need for Stem Cell Research, but I think they should use only the necessary (life threatening situations) to obtain cells and strive to make artificial ones in place of natural ones.

There's also a feeling when you are with your child. A sense of being content and being glad they are with you. Not because they are your's or because they have your genes, it's a sense that you are protecting and helping them without a want in return. It's a sense that goes against or even beyond human pride. Maybe it's because you know them as a person, or it's a bond that is even further. I can't explain how I know, but somehow, I do.

[ekimeinna]

well... i don't know what's going on to this world...but whatever it is life is so important!! people are not so grateful for what they have right now... they only think that "revenge" is the way they could able to esape problems such as this one... poor little fellas inside a mother's womb.... it's sad that it's over 10,000 babies a year were killed... can you imagine that? and this world is now turning upside down... we are loosing great minds today (if you notice) because we don't know what the future would this little ones have if we let them live... well i got some questions now in my mind, i wonder if those people are happy enough to do this thing to the innocent ones, i don't think they are... second, what if we are the ones that killed and never enjoyed the things that we had now and third, do you think that this world is getting better the more we are doing this...??

i don't mean to offense anyone here... just look around us today... for me, people got a bunch of hatred not love anymore

[Yuki-onna]

I've heard it mentioned a few times, but not expanded on - ADOPTION.

How can you kill a living being inside of you? A part of your own body, growing into a child. This is how you started, too. You were a cell. Than a clump of cells. Then an embryo. A fetus. A baby. A child. An adult. How can you say that it is not life? Even when it doesn't look how you look now, you were once the same. It will grow into a human. Therefore, my view is from the moment of conception, there's a human in your womb. (Well...first...technically, in your ovarian tubes.)

Moving on...I'm against it. You're killing life. And if you pursued with it, there are so many loving couples who can't have children who would have gladly given your child a loving, caring home.

I'm single. I'm poor. This isn't a good time for me right now.

How would you feel if your mother had said that about you? Oh, right, you wouldn't, because you wouldn't exist. Doesn't everyone deserve a chance in life? Even if you're born dirtpoor and you have a crappy start, that doesn't mean you won't make something. How many idols and important people have risen from the slums? Your situation is no excuse for ending an unborn's life. Because there are SO many options that can give your baby a better chance.


But when the mother's life is in danger if she doesn't abort? I don't know. I could see it maybe, but I can't say. And rape? That's very hard. It's not the child's fault how they were concieved. But say you were underage, abused in that manner, and forced to have a child? I don't know how I would feel, because it hasn't happened to me. Those are the only reasons I'd be iffy on. But other than that - it's not birth control. It's murder.

If you didn't want to get pregnant, you should have used birth control. Oh! That would be rubbers, pills, patches, or whatever new fangled hormone releasing device they can shove up your lady parts.

That's my three cents.