Religions - Your Opinion

[chrono]

If in "evil"you mean ( as what you described below) " things made up in relation to how we treat each other" why is that God's job to prevent? It is a trial, it's your job to be a better person and do what's right. And if you don't know what "right" is then it's your duty to figure it out for yourself. That's what I think anyway.



No it's not evil, nor am I when I eat my fried chicken at night.

who determines whats right,wrong,good, evil if not us. you say its my job to find out whats right(i agree) but right is a relative term it does not really exist(see previous post ).i might think it is right to kill people who disagree with my religion(as a lot of people have and still do) and i can find some religious text to back up my beliefs.


and if it is not gods job then why go through the trouble of sending saviors and human sacrifices. does the creator not take responsibility for his creations?

or maybe gods and demons are just a number of things we have invented since our time here.

i see you have no answer for Epicurus riddle or my thoughts on it.

[Joe]

who determines whats right,wrong,good, evil if not us. you say its my job to find out whats right(i agree) but right is a relative term it does not really exist(see previous post ).i might think it is right to kill people who disagree with my religion(as a lot of people have and still do) and i can find some religious text to back up my beliefs.


and if it is not gods job then why go through the trouble of sending saviors and human sacrifices. does the creator not take responsibility for his creations?

or maybe gods and demons are just a number of things we have invented since our time here.

i see you have no answer for Epicurus riddle or my thoughts on it.

The concept of "rightness" does in fact exist outside of subjective morality. Things that are right benefit society as a whole, and make it possible for people to live together without tearing each other apart. Not stealing is considered right, for example, because When I keep my things, and you keep Your things, everyone wins. Those few who do NOT agree with these concepts are deviants, and since their morals are largely unpopular, they remain a minority.

As for whether preventing the general consensus on what is evil, that is what laws are for. Look, for example, at the Code of Hammurabi. Before written law, most societies were heavily chaotic and rife with lawlessness. Once the code was enacted however, with Strict punishments for breaking any of the laws (which were laid down, btw, to prevent people doing wrong things, like stealing or murser) Much more was able to be accomplished.

Also, Prove that there was a savior, angels, and demons, without telling me to take it on faith. And who says that it's the creators job to take charge of his creations? When you were young and you built houses and things with Legos, did you feel responsible for what happened to them after you finished making them? I'd bet not.

As for your statement about the nature of evil. Evil is a fairly common concept that generalizes the majority of acts that harm society. Evil only applies to human culture, however, since Humans are the only known creatures able to comprehend. Evil is not killing an animal for food, as Gypsy said, because that is survival. Evil is killing another human in an act other than in self-defense, or at the defense of another (Re: Murder).

Again, not god's job to prevent Evil from happening. That's on us.


Annnnnd that was your daily ramble from Moog.

[chrono]

The concept of "rightness" does in fact exist outside of subjective morality. Things that are right benefit society as a whole, and make it possible for people to live together without tearing each other apart. Not stealing is considered right, for example, because When I keep my things, and you keep Your things, everyone wins. Those few who do NOT agree with these concepts are deviants, and since their morals are largely unpopular, they remain a minority.

As for whether preventing the general consensus on what is evil, that is what laws are for. Look, for example, at the Code of Hammurabi. Before written law, most societies were heavily chaotic and rife with lawlessness. Once the code was enacted however, with Strict punishments for breaking any of the laws (which were laid down, btw, to prevent people doing wrong things, like stealing or murser) Much more was able to be accomplished.

Also, Prove that there was a savior, angels, and demons, without telling me to take it on faith. And who says that it's the creators job to take charge of his creations? When you were young and you built houses and things with Legos, did you feel responsible for what happened to them after you finished making them? I'd bet not.

As for your statement about the nature of evil. Evil is a fairly common concept that generalizes the majority of acts that harm society. Evil only applies to human culture, however, since Humans are the only known creatures able to comprehend. Evil is not killing an animal for food, as Gypsy said, because that is survival. Evil is killing another human in an act other than in self-defense, or at the defense of another (Re: Murder).

Again, not god's job to prevent Evil from happening. That's on us.


Annnnnd that was your daily ramble from Moog.

first off legos are not living creatures that i created if they were i would feel responsible for them. The same as i would feel responsible for my child(why do they call god father again?)

i agree with your point on systems of social control such as laws,courts,jails etc there are plenty of examples in history of societies where the laws have been ludicrous by todays standards of a free society. just look at any society that is influenced heavily by fundamentalist religious dogma. society does not always pick what is best for itself or even its citizens.

that is your definition of evil? what if i am a slave who kills my slave master to obtain my freedom? or what if i kill to free myself from an oppressive government regime? am i now evil? neither was in self defense in the mortal sense i could have continued my life as a slave or as an oppressed citizen.

Edit: you can not tell by my previous post that i do not believe in demons, gods and other fairy tales.

and...no evil is not a fairly common concept. Things that are right benefit society as a whole.....i have to disagree it might benefit society as a whole to kill off all non productive citizens. i doubt you would see this as right.