Sorry, but you was the one who started bitching about my opinion. If you can't handle someone stating an opinion then it's best you shut your mouth. I'm not bitching at people with different views, as I said it is just when they fling their crap at you and expect you to eat it up. I'm not going to bother replying to the rest of your rubbish. An opinion is an opinion, which isn't going to change with me either. I didn't come for an argument.Originally Posted by Sasquatch
Fear that which you do not understand, and therefore attack it. It's human nature.
I could elaborate on that, but I'm not sure if I want to go into explicit detail about Biblical stuff. I'm guessing this isn't a bashing thread, and I don't want to be perceived as doing that.
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Seriously, you two take it to a PM and sort this out civilly. I am issuing both of you a warning, one gets one for spam and the other gets one for trolling. If you choose to continue this fight in this thread I will continue to issue warnings.
Now as I said, take it to PM and quit with the petty squabbling.
If you have ANY qualms with this at all feel free to PM me and we can discuss this further.
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Dude, if you're not going to back up what you say, and rather tell people to shut their mouths every time someone quotes you, then don't post in ID. I know why people come and express their religious views that's fine, I have no problem with people wanting to save me. I don't think it makes a big difference either, but that doesn't mean I don't hear them out from time to time. It may not change my views,I've said this, but it doesn't mean I despise them for believing in something different.
So what, you don't like it when non atheist, try and prove there is a god, but it's okay for you to prove that their isn't?
Everyone thinks they're right, you probably think you're right, so don't say do don't like when people try to prove what they believe in.
I could say I don't like when atheist are ignorant and think everyone else are idiots for beliveing in something. But oh wait, I've actually listened to an atheist views before. I found it interesting, didn't change my mind, but I could understand why they think that way.
My friend is atheist, and I don't "hate" the fact that he believes that their is no god nor does he think I'm an idiot believing there is.
Maybe it's just cretin people that think that way... yeah that must be it.
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Gypsy Elder---->wow i agree with every little thing you said and that just brightened my day. I think people have the right to say whta they want when they want and if someone wants to be a ignorant little punk and try to get there way or the highway than they should be shut up.[ Not that I'm suggesting anything]I believe there is a good and he loves us all and we are all his children. I mean i sometimes want to question it but i would never. I love god.
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Ok I am just going to step back in here again and say, do not feed the trolls. I have taken care of this situation last night and Murasama privliges to ID have been removed for the time being. Any further derailment will be met with a warning.
Now with that said, get this topic back on track.
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Well i have a question for everyone who takes a gander at this thread. What do you think of the old weird poeple that made the calender that says everyone will die on the year 2012? What do you think of there religion?What was there religion? What does it me to be a Pagan, mainly following in the rites of Wicca?
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Why do people equate paganism with Wicca? Paganism, broadly defined, is anything that you don't believe. Historically, and slightly more narrowly defined, is anything pre-Christian, which would include Aztec 'religion' (note that the entire concept of religion was constructed by Christians; before then 'religions' were systems that structured all of society, the world, and day-to-day life).
And I believe there is a thread about that 2012 doomsday thing somewhere. Go write about that there.
i think who ever is worring about the world ending in 2012 is wasting there time
i dont believe that is going to happen
the aztec calender doesnt say anything about the world ending in 2012. the calender just ends in 2012 DEEEER
even if the world does end in 2012 what are you gonna do about it
just live life while you have it
Well i have a question for everyone who takes a gander at this thread. What do you think of the old weird poeple that made the calender that says everyone will die on the year 2012?
Ummmm, what? Mayans have not said that we're all going to die in 2012. In fact there was recently an article that made its way through the net that stated that Mayans were getting rather Pissed that white people were spreading horsehockey doomsday stories about it. Naturally, I'm inclined to believe them.
What do you think of there religion?
TheIR religion is what they believe. Why does it matter what we think of it? Are you presuming that it's your place to pass judgement?
What was there religion?
If I remember correctly the mayans practiced paganistic (re: non-christian, as there was no christianity in that area at the time) polytheism, with elements of animism added. Animism is the concept that every animal has a spirit, I think, and that said spirits should be respected.
What does it me to be a Pagan, mainly following in the rites of Wicca?
Paganism != Wicca. It means that you aren't christian, nor muslim, jewish, buddhist, hindu, nor any other conventional religion. Most people seem to equate paganism with evil, since they don't worship the same God as most people (Re: chistians/jews/muslims). In fact Pagans have a rather large assortment of gods to choose from, depending on what they believe (there are Vast differences in beliefs from one pagan to another, you might want to read up on it)
Again, are you saying that we should judge pagans based on their highly personalized belief system? I'm not sure what point you were getting at with your post.
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I wasn't passing judgement I was just asking a simple question, and wondering about your opinions. I'm sorry.
It's a bit freaky tough how it just ends[ the calender].
How does one become a full fledged jew?
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Ziroth I'm not quiet sure what you mean by full fledged jew, do you mean a jew that is strong in their beliefs or what...Cause full fledged jew to me just does not make sense...
Conversion to Judaism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
You might want to read this. That article discusses how to Officially convert to Judaism. However it's not necessary to formally convert in order to consider yourself a Jew. Just like it's not necessary to go to organized churches every sunday in order to be a Christian.
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And just like you don't have to sacrifice goats and small children and other miscellaneous things just to call yourself Nordic.
To me, religion is something meant for entertainment/something to believe in so that death isn't so boring. So I chose Norse mythology because it's the most interesting. ^_^
Hey Sheena, I wasn't sure how serious you were being there (after all, I didn't realise people still practiced Norse mythology (is there a better term?) anymore), but I have a question.
How does one just 'choose' a religion? Is religion just a commodity on a supermarket shelf, where we pick the one that is the cheapest and most satisfying (least effort, greatest perceived spiritual benefits)?
I don't think we are able to rationally pick a religion. It's not a shop, it's an ultimate statement of how the universe is ordered, and can't be taken lightly (not saying you did this Sheena). Because no-one can actually prove their religion, how can we actually choose the 'best' one? Is it a case of finding the most 'believable'? The most compatible (with your other opinions), or the most humanistic? Is it just a matter of birth, and if anybody converts, it's more irrational than rational?
That last sentence is how I perceive it at least.
This raises excellent questions that should be discussed. Does one really choose their own religion? If one is indoctrinated as a child, what causes the person to stick with it other than family tradition? Why does conversion really happen?
As an example, I was raised in a Roman Catholic household; not strict by any means, but we'd go to church every Saturday. For a while I was even an altar boy and the Chaplain Aide of my Boy Scout troop.
I'm not going to go into a deconversion story here, but I think that in most cases, 'picking' a religion doesn't happen; it's a matter of how you were raised. When people convert from one religion to another, I've found that it's usually out of confusion... these people don't really know what to believe, so they pick the religion that makes the most sense to them at the time. Whether said decision is rational or irrational? Also up for debate.
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My cousin converted. His family was not very religious, and neither was he, but part of our family is Jewish. I think our grandmother was shocked when she learned he had converted... haha.
If you asked why he converted, he would probably say it was some sort of divine inspiration. But it only started when he met his girlfriend and now wife, who seems to be quite a devout Christian herself. He loves her very, very, very much. When asked what he thought of a God who would send the rest of his family to Hell, he said, "Well, I don't know, but I think I'll be so happy in Heaven that I won't have to worry about it."
It seems like a matter of priorities and the like, to me. He loves his wife a lot and has very little attachment to his current religion, so he switched. It may be if you are presented with a religion that offers you "more" and doesn't go against every moral fiber in your body, there's a good chance you'll go for it. Yet, many people who have been brought into a particular religion from birth probably find it very familiar and comforting, and are content to stick with what they have.
I personally haven't belonged to any organized religion, though, so I wouldn't "really" know.
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Yes, I was serious. At least for me I can choose the one that best suits me, because I don't take it seriously.
If you take it seriously, it's impossible to just "pick and choose".
And i choose the path of a Jedi for my religion, may the force be with you.
I made my own belief system. It goes like this:
Trees are cool
The sky is cool
Outside is pretty when it rains
Children are the best people around
Cats are cooler than we
You have no excuse for being unhappy unless you were born on a rubbish tip in Mumbai or similar, so stop whining
Money is just money, don't hoard it - it can buy someone a roof or a flushing toilet, you know
Everyone has the right to their own faith and opinions unless they are directly harmful, it's about what gets you through the day sane
No God had anything to do with: MRI machines, defibrilators, comfy duvets; no God had anything to do with M-16's, nuclear weaponry, and Twitter
The sky will always be blue until the sun blows us up
So respect that shit and look after all of it because, here's the deal, your life actually DOES depend on it.
I'm not recruiting disciples right now, but you can apply anyway.
Faith is always a personal choice, even if you're raised a certain way. I was raised athiest, but I'm not crazy-athiest. I HATE EVANGELICALS. I don't care if you're Mormon or Muslim or athiest or what, just leave me be, thank you. I can make up my own mind.
I'm not a fan of organised religion. I really don't see why I should have to apologise to anyone for having pre-marital sex, thank you very much.
My opinion on religion can be summed up by these words: whatever gets you through the day.
I don't think you can just choose a religion, but you can choose a path which might possibly follow a particular religion, therefore making you part of it. "Choosing" a religion isn't like choosing which clothes to wear in the morning. It's a massive decision which needs a lot of thought put into it.
I think that for a religion to be taken seriously, you'd need to of have been raised on it by your parents or school or whatever. Some people have turned to religion when something happens in their life which is either good (possibly love) or bad (illness or disease).
I was raised to be a Christian. A load of shit happened to make me question Christianity. What annoyed me was that when I put these questions forward to my teachers and even the vicar, I wasn't given a proper answer, which therefore lead to even more questions. Eventually, they stopped giving me answers because they got pissed that I was wasting their time I can imagine.
When I went to my secondary school, I hadn't heard of other religions because we were pretty much sheltered from it at my primary school. In my new class, I talked to the Muslim girls and asked about their religion. I must have asked too many questions again because they got pissy with me, leaving me saying: "I was only curious..."
Why, when religion is questioned, do people tend to back off and get defensive as if the curious people are trying to disprove or take a dig at the path this person has chosen? I know not everyone knows the answers - heck there might not even be a straight answer - but an opinion to me is as good as an answer. Everyone should be able to question their own religion, and form their own opinion of it instead of viewing it as how they're "supposed" to.
When it comes to converting to another religion, I believe it's something that requires a lot of thought and research. It's not possible to become a Christian* overnight.
*I used it as an example. Feel free to change it to whatever.
Sounds like my kinda belief system. Where do I sign?
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Unknown you have a lot of good views and I support every single one of them...
I think this is true. I didn't choose to be atheist I just followed a path that cause me to question everything that I had learnt about religion.
Fact, it took me a few years to even become a atheist. I also know many friends who thought long and hard about their religion choices and still don't know what to believe.
I was raised in a strong christian family but over time my belief in it began to fade. I just stopped believing that there was a force that basically controlled us all..
Same thing happened to me. Noone would ever give me a straight answer, and at the time I was going to a christian school so you would think if I had any doubts or questions about the religion they would tell me...
I think it is because they feel that everyone might actually be trying to disprove their religion. You have all these religious fanatics who take thing s to far some times and it sacres everyone of that religion. You talked about speaking with muslims girls nowadays in the united states muslims are often shunned due to 9/11. I have many Muslim friends and none of them are bad people, but due to the acts of a few fanatics everyone has began to despise them and their religion.
This is a fact, if you choose a religion quickly to me that shows that you either don't care or you are uneducated on it. I studied many different religions: buddhism, taoism, etc...None of which were appeling to me except for maybe taoism it was very interesting so was buddhism...It is a difficult decision that should not be taken lightly and should be though about for longer than a day or two...
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that pretty much sums it up for me. if god is all powerful and capable of anything then you must be of the opinion that evil exist because he allows it to exist or that he is not all powerful and he is not able to stop it.
how about this though....maybe there is no such thing as evil... and good and evil are things humans made up in relation to how we treat each other. Is the lion evil when he snaps the neck of the zebra? i can cite various other examples from the animal world(some quite extreme)
either way i am not going to believe in any being that wants constant praise and worship. i guess his daddy ran out on him as a kid or something.
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If in "evil"you mean ( as what you described below) " things made up in relation to how we treat each other" why is that God's job to prevent? It is a trial, it's your job to be a better person and do what's right. And if you don't know what "right" is then it's your duty to figure it out for yourself. That's what I think anyway.
No it's not evil, nor am I when I eat my fried chicken at night.how about this though....maybe there is no such thing as evil... and good and evil are things humans made up in relation to how we treat each other. Is the lion evil when he snaps the neck of the zebra? i can cite various other examples from the animal world(some quite extreme)
who determines whats right,wrong,good, evil if not us. you say its my job to find out whats right(i agree) but right is a relative term it does not really exist(see previous post ).i might think it is right to kill people who disagree with my religion(as a lot of people have and still do) and i can find some religious text to back up my beliefs.
and if it is not gods job then why go through the trouble of sending saviors and human sacrifices. does the creator not take responsibility for his creations?
or maybe gods and demons are just a number of things we have invented since our time here.
i see you have no answer for Epicurus riddle or my thoughts on it.
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To fight is a man's instinct; if men have nothing else to fight over they will fight over words, fancies, or women, or they will fight because they dislike each other's looks, or because they have met walking in opposite directions” - George Santayana
The issue in this thread is that people don't care to know anything. No, even more than that. They don't want to know anything.
Instead of asking "how does your religion address this topic, issue, or question?", all too many petty little children sit back and say (either to themselves, or through typing, or by posting extremely stupid and flat-out dishonest pictures and comics), "I have my beliefs, and you have yours, and whatever you try to tell me, I will refuse to even listen to because I have already lost respect for everything that may come out of your mouth."
Now the kicker is this -- when a religious person refuses to change their stance on an issue and believe (not just see or understand, but support) a completely opposite stance, they are called "closed-minded". At the least.
But when an anti-religious person (not non-religious, as there are plenty of decent non-religious people, but anti-religious) comes out and says -- with words, text, or stupid little webcomics -- that no matter what, they do not respect people with different religious beliefs? Others will laugh or agree, but not call them out on the truth -- that they have declared that they want to remain ignorant.
The ironic thing is that I'd be willing to put money on the fact that the majority of people who have such an immature, childish problem with religion also believe in Evolutionism, which is a religion in and of itself.
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For me, religion is a system, and alot of humanity thrives on systems. However, I also believe that belief in god is ultimately a gross underestimation of the power of the mind and the indominable human spirit. To believe that there exists a problem that man cannot fix for himself, is folly. To say that you leave your life in god's hands is like letting go of the wheel, and there is no one in the passenger seat to take control. You are, in essence, a runaway train, which is often times dangerous to others. I do not liken man to "god", I merely suggest that if there is a god, he has better things to do than help you pass a test, or mend your fences for you. Religion is an excuse to shirk the responsibility of living. It's easy to say that something is god's will, but living means handling your own life, good or bad, for what it's worth. I think that "god" will appreciate that of us if such a thing indeed greets us upon death.
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That is funny but i damn near went blind trying to read that first picture. I find it most intresting that religious people can point out the absurdities in other religions but can not seem to notice the absurdities in their own.
It truly is willful ignorance. virgin births, people living inside of giant fish, and a guy with super human strength because of the length of his hair geez la weez the things people will believe and follow.
bottom line is reality>comfort.
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Sometimes I just want to be with my family and watch a movie and eat some popcorn. But when I step on the mat I know there is no other place I'd rather be." -Marcelo Garcia
To fight is a man's instinct; if men have nothing else to fight over they will fight over words, fancies, or women, or they will fight because they dislike each other's looks, or because they have met walking in opposite directions” - George Santayana
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