TFF of Europe

**Banned Testicle** · 03-04-2006, 02:09 PM

This is kinda amusing. Every year the same time. Every year during the eurovision crap contest (Yes! I came up with that myself!) this clubs activity shoots through the roooooof!

I boycott it as I do every year

**Storm** · 03-04-2006, 03:19 PM

Originally Posted by Banned Testicle

This is kinda amusing. Every year the same time. Every year during the eurovision crap contest (Yes! I came up with that myself!) this clubs activity shoots through the roooooof!

I boycott it as I do every year

I JOIN YOU! LETS HOLD A REBELLION! Im making paper airplanes!

**Banned Testicle** · 03-04-2006, 03:57 PM

not even that. Im just completely ignoring it, hoping that it will go away. Like a bad habit.

I dont even acknowledge its existance

**Usagy** · 03-06-2006, 06:15 PM

The third year we talking crap about the song festival in this thread, I love it ^^
I hope some third world country wins, likes Bosnia or Malta. Countries nobody would miss if they would be nuked.

I love lamp!! Do you love lamp??? Yes you do love lamp too!!
*licks Banned testicle*

Peace out

**Banned Testicle** · 03-07-2006, 12:57 PM

Woa.

*licks back*

**Usagy** · 03-15-2006, 04:54 AM

Not much activeness here, anyways some crap called Treble won for Holland. I didn't watch again this year, but seriously Treble sucks.
Ok 2 out of the 3 girls are not bad looking, but they're ****ing hippies.
It's not even Dutch or English what they sing, it's made up language.
Belgium already won with that like 4 years ago, well this is a cheap ripoff from it.
It sucks balls!
Yay my 7900th post on this gay place, I suck.

Peace out

**Neo Necron** · 03-15-2006, 05:06 AM

I thought Eurovison was later in the year.

Seems as though I missed it because of being at uni.

O H W E L L
W H A T A S H A M E ! ! ! ! !

**Nolwynn** · 03-15-2006, 06:51 AM

*whispers in Khorde's ear: Caroooola!!*

**Victoria** · 03-15-2006, 10:10 AM

*Pokes* Sashiiiiiie. I haven't seen you in ages. ;_;
I added your msn on my new msn name. >>;
I also got a headset too. So whee.

**Banned Testicle** · 03-15-2006, 01:24 PM

Originally Posted by Nolwynn

*whispers in Khorde's ear: Caroooola!!*

Just now, I felt an urge to insert my closed fist inside the computer monitor. Instead Ill say this.

Carola suuuuuuuuuger

amen, thats how cool I am

**Neo Necron** · 03-24-2006, 11:17 AM

You're not cool and never will be.

Get over it, n00b -_-

**Usagy** · 03-25-2006, 06:11 AM

yeah, become a man you noob! O_o; go lick my balls

Carola sugar? .... wtf? enlighten me >_<;
And what's with all this random crap on this place with presents.

Peace out

**Neo Necron** · 03-25-2006, 06:25 AM

TFF of Europe lives for random crap.

That's all that happens these days because stuff never happens in our countries.

**Banned Testicle** · 03-25-2006, 05:53 PM

Ok, lets make something clear. You dont have to be a n00b just because you lick balls. Thats a very wrong thing to say, almost facist.
Facist as in weird.
Weird as in I try to make as little sense as possible.

Pants? Or Rants? I prefer both, preferably not together. RAnting Pants aint the rave ya know.

anyways.

I AM CUUL!!! :cry:

**Autumn** · 03-25-2006, 06:02 PM

The UK Budget was announced last Wednesday! Who wants to have a chat about that? No-one else? Fine. A solo effort it'll be then.

Brown's budget was fairly standard with many of the pre-general election goodies he gave out last year unsurprisingly not appearing this year. It's often been said the improvements in NHS service doesn't proportionally reflect the amount of money thrown at it. That and the debt problems some hospitals face. So instead money's going to be thrown at schools this year. If you want nationalized schools and healthcare then at least operate an internal market. That's what the Conservatives did and apparently that was ruining the NHS. Tony Blair said a vote for Labour would be a vote to save the NHS back in 1997. He spent the first term getting rid of the internal market and then phasing it back in. David Cameron did some good work at attacking the budget, but I saw him get owned in the Prime Minister's Questions just before but because it was Budget Day the PM's Questions got no mainstream media coverage. Seriously, didn't anyone else read about the Budget?

EDIT: Clocks go forward an hour. Even though I posted just after 1am on what I see as forum time, it's suddenly become 2am.

**Banned Testicle** · 03-25-2006, 06:12 PM

That was too cohesive , Winter. Please break it down and make it more random if you don't want to be shunned by the true TFF Europe community.

**Neo Necron** · 03-26-2006, 01:56 AM

Originally Posted by Winter

Tony Blair said a vote for Labour would be a vote to save the NHS back in 1997.

Polititians say lots of stuff. This is why I don't like politics... and why I probably won't vote next time, or if I do, I'll vote the party which seems most likely to actually do what they say they will. I know it seems a strange way to vote... but whats the point in voting for a party that say they're gonna do soemthing if you can't guarentee they will?
Last time I wasn't old enough to abstain from voting. That was a shame.

I'm in a political discussion... I'm scared O_o

**Chez Daja** · 03-26-2006, 07:42 AM

Liberal seems like a good voting option... I mean, if you've read all of the things they're saying. "We want to make taxes fairer, but not higher..."

How?

**Autumn** · 03-26-2006, 09:14 AM

Originally Posted by Neo Necron

Polititians say lots of stuff. This is why I don't like politics... and why I probably won't vote next time, or if I do, I'll vote the party which seems most likely to actually do what they say they will. I know it seems a strange way to vote... but whats the point in voting for a party that say they're gonna do soemthing if you can't guarentee they will?
Last time I wasn't old enough to abstain from voting. That was a shame.

My point was Blair first of all said internal markets were bad and then realized their benefits, so re-introduced them under a new name. At the time he probably genuinely thought he would be saving the NHS and went about doing it.

Labour, Tory and Lib Dem all seem unable to act on what they say so I think I'll vote BNP next time round. I seriously believe they will encourage minorities to relocate - voluntarily, of course. Oh wait, I don't actually agree with most of the BNP policies, so I don't think I will afterall: the policies a party advocates reflect their political orientation and I would rather have a party that didn't act on it's policies to the letter but implemented economically right wing policies as was suitable at the time than a communist party who would do everything they said they would.

Originally Posted by Chez Daja

Liberal seems like a good voting option... I mean, if you've read all of the things they're saying. "We want to make taxes fairer, but not higher..."

How?

Liberal Democrats are even worse than New Labour, in my view. I think the Lib Dems want taxes for rich people to be higher while remaining static for poorer people. That is, they equate fairness with closer income equality, which is arguable and not something I consider correct. They say they don't want higher taxes but I think that is only regarding their target audience - I downloaded their 28 page Tax Consultation from their website and here is what I found:

The main proposals for personal taxation in current Liberal Democrat policy as set out in the last General Election manifesto were to replace Council Tax with a Local Income Tax, and to introduce a new top rate of 50% on incomes over £100,000.

...

The inter-relationship of these changes requires some detailed explanation. Current policy would add 9% to the top marginal rate of tax plus NIC on incomes over £100,000. Local income tax, averaging 3.75p in the £ (let us say 4p) would be added to all rates up to £100,000. Thus marginal tax rates would rise to 25% (10 plus 11 National Insurance Contributions plus 4 Local Income Tax); 37% (22 plus 11 plus 4); 45% (40 plus 1 plus 4) and 50% over £100,000 (49 plus 1). The effect is to raise marginal income tax rates throughout the range of income and with an additional higher rate - although offset by the abolition of Council Tax.

Also, I strongly disagree with some other Lib Dem policies so I would not vote for them. For example, I'm in favour of ID Cards and having everyone's fingerprints and DNA on file. I wrote something about this issue a while ago, I can put it up if you want.

**Storm** · 03-26-2006, 10:08 AM

I don't even understand politics. Not interested, theyre all the same. I know how some people say "voting is important as it's you and your countrys future", but i seriously can't be arsed to have this stuff screwing with my head. If i HAD to vote, id vote Green as theyre eco-people... and green is my favorite colour! XD

**Chez Daja** · 04-09-2006, 03:48 PM

W00t. Let's revive this dead thread.

It was warm here in Surrey today. England... Warm... In April! Strange but true!

**Autumn** · 04-10-2006, 03:29 PM

The government has banned ticket touting. This is simply more unacceptable government intervention to hinder the mechanisms of the free market - of course, they say it's to help the consumer. Ah, I was going to post up something I had written on ticket touts before but it's not saved on this computer. It was fairly long but only a few people seem to read long posts so maybe it doesn't really matter. In short, exchange only takes place if both parties benefit. Therefore, if a person is willing to pay double the amount it cost the tout to buy the ticket for then that's the free market at work - the buyer isn't being forced into the transaction - the value he/she places on the ticket is equal to what's value paid (indeed, the buyer may have been willing to pay an even higher price) and everyone is happy.

The government intervenes too much, economically speaking. If the party in charge were equivalent to America's Republican party then I'd be happier. Not because I support social authoritarianism, but because Bush's economic policies are better than what Labour, Conservative and the Lib Dems have to offer. BUT HEY, WHAT ABOUT THE TWIN DEFICITS!? LOL!

I had written something about that but it was too long and boring for you lot to read. Some other time, perhaps. And if there are enough requests. And by "enough" I'm referring to an arbitrary number of requests. That's right: arbitrary.

EDIT: Bush's economic policies aren't great and I wouldn't be happy with them in place, but I'd rather have them than economic policies proposed by the three biggest parties in the UK.

**Storm** · 04-10-2006, 04:12 PM

That ticket touting thing is good. I had so much trouble trying to get festival tickets last year and never succeded

Then ALL OVER EBAY were touts selling them for ridiculous prices. NEVER buy from them. Im so glad the government is doing something about this. Touts steal oppurtunities away from dedicated music lovers

**Autumn** · 04-11-2006, 02:31 AM

Originally Posted by valentine89

That ticket touting thing is good. I had so much trouble trying to get festival tickets last year and never succeded

Then ALL OVER EBAY were touts selling them for ridiculous prices. NEVER buy from them. Im so glad the government is doing something about this. Touts steal oppurtunities away from dedicated music lovers

You mention these "ridiculous prices" but such a statement is subjective. Indeed, they are not ridiculous to some people if they are willing to pay a much inflated price. Logically, the value you placed on going to see those bands was below the value charged by the touts on eBay. If there were no buyers at the reserve price then the tout would've had to lower the reserve price and that would generate more interest - the free market at work.

They are taking advantage of a business opportunity - they are entrepreneurs. Just like a small corner shop retailer who negotiates a discout with the wholesaler and then re-sells those goods onto consumers at a higher price, the tout sells tickets at a higher price because there is a market for those tickets at a higher price.

If you were unable to buy tickets from the official ticket seller then you were too slow. I believe many places have restrictions, such as 10 tickets maximum per household. If going to see the bands or watch a football match really means such a great deal you'd be willing to pay double.

Besides, why is the government only banning ticket touting for World Cup matches? Why not for anything? Their decision to prohibit one area where ticket touting occurs is arbitrary, and therefore, ticket touting should be banned all over the UK for any event or not prohibited and allowed for any event.

**Storm** · 04-14-2006, 01:06 PM

Originally Posted by Winter

If you were unable to buy tickets from the official ticket seller then you were too slow. I believe many places have restrictions, such as 10 tickets maximum per household. If going to see the bands or watch a football match really means such a great deal you'd be willing to pay double.

Not exactly. When you live in a household who cannot afford to spend over £300 on weekend tickets for Glastonbury (for example), then youre pretty much stuffed. You not only need to pay for tickets, but for transport and stuff for camping. Also, we werent too slow. Ever tried getting into those ticket lines? They get SO JAM PACKED full of people trying to get them. Even if you phone instantly, you get held behind, then these touts go and sell them for £400 on e-bay. A ticket that was originally £90? I know they want a bit of a profit, but why buy tickets just for that. I wish those tickets rot in their pockets, with no interest from others wanting to buy it. That'd teach them. Maybe.

**Autumn** · 04-14-2006, 01:39 PM

Originally Posted by valentine89

Not exactly. When you live in a household who cannot afford to spend over £300 on weekend tickets for Glastonbury (for example), then youre pretty much stuffed. You not only need to pay for tickets, but for transport and stuff for camping.

Going to see bands play at a music festival is, in my view, a luxury service. A poor man who cannot afford a 42 inch plasma TV doesn't receive government grants to help him buy one. Yet, the government does not have a problem in intervening to help people buy World Cup tickets at a "fair price". If you can't afford the price charged by the ticket touts then that's similar to your household being unable to afford a new car. The government shouldn't start regulating car dealerships and placing price caps on vehicles - the price ought to be determined by the free market.

Also, we werent too slow. Ever tried getting into those ticket lines? They get SO JAM PACKED full of people trying to get them. Even if you phone instantly, you get held behind, then these touts go and sell them for £400 on e-bay. A ticket that was originally £90? I know they want a bit of a profit, but why buy tickets just for that. I wish those tickets rot in their pockets, with no interest from others wanting to buy it. That'd teach them. Maybe.

I have a friend who does this. He wanted to use my address so he could call up straight away afterwards and hopefully get another batch of tickets. Haha. Seriously though, as I said before: no transaction takes place unless both parties benefit. Also, as long as the tout places a reserve price of the amount it cost him/her to buy then anything above that would be profit, and since the tickets are being auctioned it'd be very likely they get sold.

**Aerif** · 04-17-2006, 03:42 AM

Now that we're on the subject of dodgy E-Bay buys. What do you think of the Blue Peter badge scams? I wouldn't care... Except I won one of the last Blue Peter badges before they stopped the free entry into places... E-Bay has never been so annoying!

**Autumn** · 04-18-2006, 12:36 PM

I saw the Labour Party Broadcast today. It was hilarious. There wasn't anything in there about why you should vote Labour, instead the five minutes were dedicated to telling you why you shouldn't vote for David Cameron. I don't agree with many of David Cameron's new policies for the Conservatives, but he's making the party more electable, which is being criticized because deep down Cameron is "true blue". Haha. So what's he going to do if he gets elected into power? Tell the electorate he lied and start implementing Thatcherite policies? Probably not. I believe he would at least try to do some of the things he promises to do in the Tory manifesto in order to maintain credibility and retain a chance of being re-elected.

Besides, there's nothing wrong with being capitalist. I will advocate the free market without hesitation in most circumstances. For instance, workers in sweat shops do not need to be paid more than $2 an hour, for example. Would that be exploitation? Of course. Just like my dad is exploited for his skills when he goes to work. "Oh, $2 is so little, why not pay them more?" It is the very fact that these people are willing to work for such a "low" wage (let's not forget purchasing power parity) that firms will locate there. Without multinational firms these people would have less chance of alleviating future generations from poverty. But I'm sure you all knew this already.

**Usagy** · 04-21-2006, 05:35 PM

Hmm....I'm drunk, so probably that's the reason why I feel like asking political questions to Winter.
How are ministers in the UK against stuff like integration etc. How are foreigners treated there etc.
How is the population treating them.
Cause in Holland stuff is starting to radicalize, which at some spots I don't mind, but a lot of stupid nazi's **** stuff up as well lol.
How is stuff going in England?

Peace out

**Autumn** · 04-22-2006, 03:43 AM

Originally Posted by Usagy

Hmm....I'm drunk, so probably that's the reason why I feel like asking political questions to Winter.
1. How are ministers in the UK against stuff like integration etc.

2. How are foreigners treated there etc.

3.How is the population treating them.

Cause in Holland stuff is starting to radicalize, which at some spots I don't mind, but a lot of stupid nazi's **** stuff up as well lol.

4. How is stuff going in England?

Peace out

I have modified your post slightly to make it clearer for people reading this to know what I'm answering.

1. Labour and Tory are fairly relaxed about border control, although Labour are moreso than the Conservatives. Last General Election the Conservatives decided to take a hard stand against immigration and also acted against increased university tuition fees*. Personally, I think they forgot what kind of party they were supposed to be last time round. The British National Party has been tempting Labour voters because of their "strong" stance on immigration into the UK and for foreigners living in the UK too. They have a policy called "voluntary relocation" (or something similar) where they pay you to leave the country if you're not white. Most mainstream ministers talk of multi-cultural diversity and an end to racism. You know, the usual.

2. It depends where you go, of course. Some areas are quite accepting but in many inner city areas with a high percentage of household poverty there is apparently much anger. Primarily because poor white families are losing out in terms of housing and benefits to immigrants who get priority for some reason or another. It's mainly these people, who traditionally vote Labour, to be tempted to vote BNP. Otherwise, there probably is some racism, at least subconciously, in the country like there is in most places around the world.

3. You get newspapers such as the Daily Mail who like to run articles saying: "200,000 missing immigrants" and talk about what a shoddy job the government does of keeping track of immigrants and not deporting illegal immigrants. Obviously set out to anger their readers and re-enforce their beliefs that the border should be tightened up. Many people are unhappy with immigrants coming into the country "leeching off the state" while running black market operations. There have been a few stories in the national media recently about illegal immigrants who have committed various crimes like fraud, sex trafficking and rape etc. This also serves to anger people.

4. Define stuff in this context, please.

*I support increased tuition fees.

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