TFF of Europe

[Akira]

Wow, I haven't been in here for a long time. Anything change since I was gone?

[Chez Daja]

Eh. I must get out of Europe for a while...Wanna take a Pole along with you? PLZTHNX?!

No? Heh. That's it. I'm sick of being abused.

Errrm. Anyway. Actually, I'm going away soon, too. But it's not really "going away", because of the fact I'm going to the other side of the country to visit a few of my friends...and of course, my boyfriend... @_@;;;. Yeah.

[Chez Daja]

Not much, except drastic weather changes, and the talk of nothing in particular. We're quite the European Spam Thread lately, to be completely honest with you.

[darkViVi]

*spams*



OMFG it's so hot today.. Did somebody kidnap me in my sleep and move me to another incredibly hot country? Because I can simply NOT belive that Norway can be this hot.....

*sits with fan in lap*

Not even the shadows are cool......

[Akira]

We're quite the European Spam Thread lately, to be completely honest with you.

Great! Not a thing has changed!

Well, if it helps any, I'm ****ing burning my ass off as well and I'm secluded inside. I don't know if I would maybe disintigrate if I were to go outside.

[Autumn]

It was very hot in Britian a few weeks ago, but last week and so far this week the temperature has been quite acceptable where I live. It's not so hot that I need to switch on any of the fans in my house and I'll only start sweating if I do some physical exercise, which doesn't happen and probably isn't going to happen. I don't even need to open any windows; and that also provides me with the added bonus of reducing the chance of insects, spiders and flies entering my house.

EDIT: Unrelated to weather, darkViVi, when playing non-money maps you don't need to drop 4 gateways really early on like I saw you did in the TvP game we played. You can't make use out of all 4 at once so it's better to just go gate -> core -> gate and efficiently make units from those two while constantly making probes. Do not cease probe production at any point until it gets to the late game.

[Akira]

What game did you guys play?

Anyways, I need to start orking out again but just like Winter, I seem to be really lazy this summer and can't get my ass out of bed, chairs, and couches. Whatever, I'm off to play Civ III (still don't have IV, poor me).

[Autumn]

The game is Starcraft.

In fact, now that I think about the TvP game some more why did you put down 4 gateways when you were going for "fast" carriers? And trying to go carriers off two bases is very risky as you are hoping your opponent doesn't attack you while you tech up, make ~8-10 carriers and build interceptors. Not to mention going to at least 2-2 upgrades for the carriers and increasing carrier capacity.

I've started cycling each day again in order to keep fit, but it is quite a struggle to motivate myself to do so given the high temperatures.

[Ensim]

Cool, i'm from norway, but this panda thing, it's a joke huh?

Anyway europe totally rules, yeah.

[Chez Daja]

S you wanna join our club, I assume?
Well, I guess you could join, but that's really up to Neo Necron. Try to add some more content to your posts, though?
Anyway, yeah.

It's been another sweltering day in England. Probably one of the hottest days of the year so far. We have the pool out, though, so I guess thats plus. Just standing in it is pretty cold.

[darkViVi]

HEEY!!

Everybody needs that panda picture, it's teH RULEZ OMGZ!!
OK I'm joking.

BTW, I am from Norway too. And yeah it is pretty damn hot..
*turns on fan*

Oh and Akira, my opinion is that Civ IV sucks and that their zooming attempt was some wierd stuff basically. Never played the full game though but it sure as hell looked... strange o_O

Try out the demo before you buy it, mkay?

Oh and EDIT:

Sorry Winter I didn't see your posts...

In fact, now that I think about the TvP game some more why did you put down 4 gateways when you were going for "fast" carriers? And trying to go carriers off two bases is very risky as you are hoping your opponent doesn't attack you while you tech up, make ~8-10 carriers and build interceptors. Not to mention going to at least 2-2 upgrades for the carriers and increasing carrier capacity.

Yeah, I was kinda hoping you wouldn't attack me But I'm more used to fastest and stuff, though I have practiced more on BGH and maps like that lately YAY me.

Also 4 gateways is because of Toss' slow production and at some point I am gonna need some Zlots or Dgoons, carriers or not.
Carrier capasity is cheap and I go that when the becon is finished so I pretty much have that upgrade done when building the fleet.

But as I said I have played on Hunters and stuff like that and what happens usually is that people with one base attacks my expansions in full force driving me back to my main, before I can complete my hatchery. Yeah, I am usually Zerg on maps like that.

EDIT: Unrelated to weather, darkViVi, when playing non-money maps you don't need to drop 4 gateways really early on like I saw you did in the TvP game we played. You can't make use out of all 4 at once so it's better to just go gate -> core -> gate and efficiently make units from those two while constantly making probes. Do not cease probe production at any point until it gets to the late game.

I know I can't use them all in the beginning, but I don't like Protoss slow warping, on maps like Fastest it's ok because you can fill up your base with as many gateways you'd like. I know my non-moneymap strategy sucks... I need to look up on it and I am. If you are available at some point let's try a PvP and I can save the replay to see how you are building with Protoss on perhaps Luna, I think that would be helpful.

[Autumn]

Yeah, I was kinda hoping you wouldn't attack me But I'm more used to fastest and stuff, though I have practiced more on BGH and maps like that lately YAY me.

BGH doesn't have any cliffs, does it? I don't like the infinte resources you get in your main base, pretty much reducing the need to expand although you will have to build outside of your main eventually due to space. Try out some non-money maps.

Also 4 gateways is because of Toss' slow production and at some point I am gonna need some Zlots or Dgoons, carriers or not.

Yes, at some point. But not right at the start. If you think you're going to need them soon then get them. For fast carriers you only needed 1 gateway, so your 3 extra cost you 450 minerals which could've gotten you up the tech tree faster.

But as I said I have played on Hunters and stuff like that and what happens usually is that people with one base attacks my expansions in full force driving me back to my main, before I can complete my hatchery. Yeah, I am usually Zerg on maps like that.

Are you expanding too fast? Or do you mean you have trouble holding off an attack when you fast expand? Here's a quick summary:

ZvT - Terran usually won't move out until he has ~12M&M with a firebat or two. When you see that you'll pretty much have to put down some sunkens.
ZvZ - I am terrible at this matchup. I'm pretty sure Relm is much better at this than me. If you ever see her online, which I haven't recently, ask her how to play this. All I can say is generally 9 pool>12 hatch>12 pool>9 pool. But then there are opening builds which are like 9 gas (fast mutalisks) and I don't know how that fits into things.
ZvP - I almost always go 12 hatch at my natural expansion, and if Protoss comes with zealots then I bring 3 drones to my natural and start morphing them into sunkens, while I have my 6 zerglings harassing the zealots. If a sunken is morphing and about to die then cancel it. As long as you get one sunken colony up you should be fine. Many Protoss players I play like to send a corsair after this.

If you are available at some point let's try a PvP and I can save the replay to see how you are building with Protoss on perhaps Luna, I think that would be helpful.

Protoss is my weakest race. Also, different matchups have different opening builds. But I'm free quite a lot of the time so if you ever see me on MSN then I'll probably be able to play.

EDIT: It's so ****ing hot right now I'm afraid some components in my computer will overheat and stop working properly. My laptop feels very hot at the moment. And it's barely cooling down at night times either. Sleeping is awfully hard.

[Usagy]

Yesh you can join this club. Welcome aboard the european spam board.

I'm rotting away in Japan now, where the weather is shitty. -_-
The rest is awesome of course. wiiiiiiiiii.
*goes to the karaoke bar*

Peace out

[darkViVi]

EDIT: It's so ****ing hot right now I'm afraid some components in my computer will overheat and stop working properly. My laptop feels very hot at the moment. And it's barely cooling down at night times either. Sleeping is awfully hard.

Yeah, the alarm went off on my computer the other day.. It seems to be cooled properly now though. The CPU temp was at over 70C at one point while playing StarCraft O_O

If you are worried about your computers health I have a free program that lets you check your temp in windows, also there is an alarm if it should start to overheat. Let me know if you want it, eh?

Try out some non-money maps.

Yeah, I have played on Luna a bit, but I keep getting owned, my team mates always seem to suck though and keep getting owned before me...

Yes, at some point. But not right at the start. If you think you're going to need them soon then get them. For fast carriers you only needed 1 gateway, so your 3 extra cost you 450 minerals which could've gotten you up the tech tree faster.

Yeah.. *sighs...

But I will most definately need Zelots if I am attacked, thats why I build them, also gateways isn't much more expencive than Zlots so...

Are you expanding too fast? Or do you mean you have trouble holding off an attack when you fast expand? Here's a quick summary:

Maybe I go too fast bust fast is good and late is bad, no?
On Luna I try to fortify my natural but I wonder how much air defence is it worth getting on maps like Luna? They are expencive if you build much.


Sigh... I'm watching my sisters bunny/rabbit or WTH it's called, anyway it's a god damn rodent and ate my friggin wire to this phone thing that my modem was hooked on to...
I just got online YAY and it's 7 in the friggin morning...
I wonder what my sister will say if I kill that rodent piece of shit

[Autumn]

Yeah, the alarm went off on my computer the other day.. It seems to be cooled properly now though. The CPU temp was at over 70C at one point while playing StarCraft O_O

If you are worried about your computers health I have a free program that lets you check your temp in windows, also there is an alarm if it should start to overheat. Let me know if you want it, eh?

Sounds interesting, but I like to have as few background programs running on my computer as necessary; so if the heat gets worse then I'll consider it. Thanks for the offer.

Yeah, I have played on Luna a bit, but I keep getting owned, my team mates always seem to suck though and keep getting owned before me...

2v2 games are quite different to 1v1 games. In 2v2 I find build orders are more relaxed and you get tech when it's needed. For example, I played a 2v2 on LT yesterday where I went Terran (like usual) and my ally was Zerg, we were again a ZP partnership. I went fast gas (at 12 or 13 supply) and I got +1 infantry attack before factory. Then my ally destroyed the Zerg's sunken colonies and my MMF force took down the Zerg's base. I repeatedly asked my Zerg ally for an overlord but he just didn't send one and I got owned by Dark Templar. For two reasons:

1) I was feeling over-confident and decided to not wall up my ramp.
2) I thought scan would take care of any DT so I left about 5 marines and 1 medic at my ramp when I moved out. I was too cheap to build a bunker.

Which is another thing, in 2v2 games you have to make sure your defense is very strong. We should play some 2v2 games some time.

But I will most definately need Zelots if I am attacked, thats why I build them, also gateways isn't much more expencive than Zlots so...

In PvT you don't really need to get a zealot. Doing so slows down your tech. Afterall, what is Terran going to attack you with? If Terran tries to play 11/13 barracks then you'll see it and you can get defenses up; otherwise Terran needs to tech quickly to factory + machine shop because the first dragoon comes out before the first tank.

Maybe I go too fast bust fast is good and late is bad, no?
On Luna I try to fortify my natural but I wonder how much air defence is it worth getting on maps like Luna? They are expencive if you build much.

Expand when you can defend your expansion. My expanding isn't that good, I need a lot more practice at controlling the map. With Protoss you can just have 1-2 templar at your expansions, with a few well placed cannons near the Nexus. If your opponent is going to raze your expansion then you need to constantly scout and see when it's on the move and hopefully cut him off. If you don't, then try taking down one of his expansions, as he must split his army to attack your expansion.

Sigh... I'm watching my sisters bunny/rabbit or WTH it's called, anyway it's a god damn rodent and ate my friggin wire to this phone thing that my modem was hooked on to...
I just got online YAY and it's 7 in the friggin morning...
I wonder what my sister will say if I kill that rodent piece of shit

You should kill it, cook it and then present it to her at dinnertime as the main course.

[darkViVi]

Also, I believe you get many days of constant daylight during the Summer in Alaska. darkViVi should be able to confirm this for me since there should also be prolonged periods of constant daylight in the northern regions of Norway too.

Indeed, that only goes for up north beyond the Polar Circle though. My place of birth is well beyond that line. For 2 months it is like a awfull long day, and again in the winter it's utterly dark for 2 months.

I seem to remember taking a screenshot when I was visiting my mom, and I just uploaded another pice so I have my photobucket account open.

Here
Note, it is taken at 2 or 3 AM. I hate that, I HATE TRYING TO SLEEP IN THE LIGHT!!!! *sniffles*



Also Winter sorry but apparently I think I forgot to reply to our discussion

Sounds interesting, but I like to have as few background programs running on my computer as necessary; so if the heat gets worse then I'll consider it. Thanks for the offer.

Yeah me too and I rarely use it, if you decide to grab it, it's called Motherboard Monitor and it doesn't launch at start up you just have to launch it when you think your comp is overheating. Anyway...

2v2 games are quite different to 1v1 games. In 2v2 I find build orders are more relaxed and you get tech when it's needed. For example, I played a 2v2 on LT yesterday where I went Terran (like usual) and my ally was Zerg, we were again a ZP partnership. I went fast gas (at 12 or 13 supply) and I got +1 infantry attack before factory. Then my ally destroyed the Zerg's sunken colonies and my MMF force took down the Zerg's base. I repeatedly asked my Zerg ally for an overlord but he just didn't send one and I got owned by Dark Templar. For two reasons:

1) I was feeling over-confident and decided to not wall up my ramp.
2) I thought scan would take care of any DT so I left about 5 marines and 1 medic at my ramp when I moved out. I was too cheap to build a bunker.

HAHA to cheap to build a bunker, eh?
Yeah, unless I and my allies are going for a fast Zealot rush I build my defences, the beauty of Protoss is that defences are quickly built compared to Terrans and Zerg, but it depends on what map I'm playing also I mostly play 2v2, 3v3 and 4v4.

Which is another thing, in 2v2 games you have to make sure your defense is very strong. We should play some 2v2 games some time.

Indeed, I'd like that. But I need more practice on non-money maps, I am still not too sure how to spend my recources when they are low since Protoss is so expencive.

In PvT you don't really need to get a zealot. Doing so slows down your tech. Afterall, what is Terran going to attack you with? If Terran tries to play 11/13 barracks then you'll see it and you can get defenses up; otherwise Terran needs to tech quickly to factory + machine shop because the first dragoon comes out before the first tank.

True, but I often get rushed by Marines, and I rarely pay 1v1 very often I have Zergs to fight to and they can rush quite fast with lings and Zealots is a good ling defence a small group of lots can deal easily with a pretty large group of lings.

Expand when you can defend your expansion. My expanding isn't that good, I need a lot more practice at controlling the map. With Protoss you can just have 1-2 templar at your expansions, with a few well placed cannons near the Nexus. If your opponent is going to raze your expansion then you need to constantly scout and see when it's on the move and hopefully cut him off. If you don't, then try taking down one of his expansions, as he must split his army to attack your expansion.

Need to remember...... Observers LOL
Yeah I often forget because I try to defend against any possible form for sneak attack, kamikaze attacks on Nexuses is a popular assault with Mutalisks and such..
But some DT's would be a good idea along with a few cannons.

[Chez Daja]

Another hot day. We lost power today for about an hour thanks to the power running out... I only slept for a few measly hours. I feel like shit. I guess I'll try and sleep again later, but it'll probably be impossible. I just want to get naked and sit in the pool. (Meant to sound as unperverted as possible). It's just too hot...

[Akira]

I'm rotting away in Japan now, where the weather is shitty. -_-
The rest is awesome of course. wiiiiiiiiii.
*goes to the karaoke bar*

Are you serious? In Japan, you lucky bastard. You must be somewhere in the south of Honshu if it's raining so much. What brings you to Japan (are they purely vacational reasons)?

I just want to get naked and sit in the pool. (Meant to sound as unperverted as possible). It's just too hot...

Awww shit......you made me spurt. Guess your intention to not sound perverted didn't work.

I've been going without a shirt for the last three weeks or so non-stop (meant to sound as erotic and sensual as possible). This weather is killing me.

[Usagy]

talk about europe crap O_o;
You can have the rain that is here in Japan ok? ^^;
Actually first day now without rain, but I probably just jinxed myself.

Peace out

[Chez Daja]

It's getting cooler here now. I guess the heatwave is over. I want it to stay away now, at least until next year.

I really hate hot weather. I should go to Alaska for the summer...

[-Xu-]

Finally the heatwave is over, now bring on the obligatory thunderstorms.

Hopefully Scotland will be ok next week and not flood again, like last time.
It seems wherever and whenever I go on holiday a town nearby floods, just as we are leaving or whilst we're stuck inside.

[Autumn]

I was pretty pleased with the heavy showers yesterday, and the temperature has dipped while there has been no rain today. It's quite nice at the moment.

Also, I believe you get many days of constant daylight during the Summer in Alaska. darkViVi should be able to confirm this for me since there should also be prolonged periods of constant daylight in the northern regions of Norway too.

[Usagy]

hmm...I'm staying in central Tokyo, so yeah Honshu. Weather still being a bitch, few years ago the weather was so good here..now it's shite.
And nah I'm not that lucky, saved up my money for quite a bit to go here again.

Peace out

[Akira]

Sounds cool Usagy. Did you visit the used panty dispenser machines yet?

Seriously though, what are some of the things you undertake while you're there? I'd loved to go in the next few years and have made it one of my main priorities (right behind getting a good finish in school as well as modding my car).

[Usagy]

Have never ever seen one of those panty vending machines, they might have been forbidden in the last few years. Vending machines selling alcohol have been made illegal as well in Tokyo unfortunately, supposedly they're still around in Kyoto though.
Well today I'm going to Nikko, which is a temple complex like 100 miles north of Tokyo, very beautiful supposedly.

Peace out

[Akira]

What?!?! No more panty dispensers!!! Man I just lost alot of reason to go to Japan......I mean, no I didn't. I'm not into that kind of stuff, you know. At least they still have a billion other dispenser machines that distribute almost anything.

[nightscare]

Hang on?! I joined tff about an hour ago and Im from england! Does this make me eligible to join?

Oh another note-God its far too hot in england especially up here in rotherham(where every good band comes from ie pulp AND the artic monkeys) I can't stay out in that heat for more than 30mins without dying!

[Autumn]

lol pulp lol

Seriously though, didn't they get disgraced after Jarvis Cocker decided to get onto the stage and start performing when Michael Jackson was singing during the Brit Awards one year? Or maybe the decline of Pulp was because their music started to become less popular? I don't know.

Yes, you are eligible to join, nightscare. Joining doesn't really mean much though.

Also, what film is your avatar from?

True, but I often get rushed by Marines, and I rarely pay 1v1 very often I have Zergs to fight to and they can rush quite fast with lings and Zealots is a good ling defence a small group of lots can deal easily with a pretty large group of lings.

Oh, if you see two barracks then you need to get some zealots. And perhaps consider getting a forge for cannons, although that's fairly expensive. PvZ is different to PvT. In PvZ zealots first are the right choice. I find dragoons are only useful for killing lurkers and ultralisks. Anything where their damage won't get reduced because of unit size, really. Use archons to take out mutalisks.

[nightscare]

lol pulp lol

Seriously though, didn't they get disgraced after Jarvis Cocker decided to get onto the stage and start performing when Michael Jackson was singing during the Brit Awards one year? Or maybe the decline of Pulp was because their music started to become less popular? I don't know.

Yes, you are eligible to join, nightscare. Joining doesn't really mean much though.

Also, what film is your avatar from?

Hahaha well yes but they're still fans out there like me! common people is an awesome song!God I'd love to my meet Jarvis Cocker maybe more than I'd like to meet Johnny depp(and thats saying something.)

The film is battle royale, its kinda hard to get hold of and if anyones seen it I'd love to talk about battle royale and battle royale 2 partically 2 actually, Im glad this TFF of europe and not TFF of america or something because the americans never got to see these films they were banned there,probably a good thing too...

[darkViVi]

Oh, if you see two barracks then you need to get some zealots. And perhaps consider getting a forge for cannons, although that's fairly expensive. PvZ is different to PvT. In PvZ zealots first are the right choice. I find dragoons are only useful for killing lurkers and ultralisks. Anything where their damage won't get reduced because of unit size, really. Use archons to take out mutalisks.

Indeed, but how would you scout?

I mean teching up to Obs at once will leave me vulnerable for a rush and sending a probe will delay my income.