*clears throat*Originally Posted by OceanEyes28
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You're right.
However, I may not mind seeing women make out, I don't think it is morally right, however, it seems there are more lesbian or Bi woman where I am from.
But heres the thing, allot of them are good looking, and due to the amount of Bi's over here... I have the feeling they are doing it for male attention.
Anyways, what does this have to do with the topic? LOL
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It has everything to do with the topic.
I think there are valid arguments from both perspectives. Anecdotally, I would say women are more likely to be openly homosexual or bisexual. However I don't think it's because non-heterosexuality is any easier for women, but because sexuality itself is feminised. Men don't talk about sexuality, as a generalisation (which I can make, as a man). Men talk about sex, as do women. However I do believe that it is considered a greater taboo for a man to discuss his sexuality.
I also agree with Ocean in that women's sexuality is more objectified. We've seen that in this thread, what with the "lezzin' out".
So. Men's sexuality: more taboo; not objectified. Women's sexuality: relatively less taboo, more objectified. At least, that's how I see it initially. Haven't put much thought into this.
I still think it's weird sexuality is separated into men and women.
It's weird that sexuality has a gendered dimension? You don't think we can make more nuanced insights by distinguishing between male homosexuality and female homosexuality?
No, I think we can 100%. I think the way it's done now is pretty much fallacy. I also meant that there's more than just male and female.
To start, no one here has responded 'violently' to your post. However, it does raise some concerns. For the sake of staying on topic, I am not going to address your claims on the ease of female homosexuality. I am just going to talk about whether the phrase is crude or not.
I was entirely unaware of the phrase 'lezzin out' before you spoke of it, yet you talk of it as though it is a commonly accepted phrase. I would like to point you in the direction of the dictionary. Many slang words find their way into the dictionary once attaining a commonly accepted status. 'Lezzin out' has yet to make the cut. Whether it be two girls, a boy and a girl, or two boys, it is all referred to simply as kissing. This means that 'lezzin out' is not a commonly accepted phrase, it's slang, and the reason why it isn't commonly accepted is because it is crude.
Actually, a new thought. I only say ***** when I am talking to my friends, now if comparing ****** and gay, I don't think gay people will call other gay people gay. O.o
But if used out of context than yep, I would say it is already there.
Now, can't we agree that unless you have studied in Psychology, then men don't know what women on a large basis thinks like and Vise-Versa?
Though I WILl say that being a Female lesbian is easier than being a gay male. Gay men are FAR more likely to be put to shame. This is from a straight man who isn't so firm on the idea of Homosexuality. As sasquatch said, there is a reason why there are lesbian scenes a plenty and little gay scenes(thank FREAKIN god).
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???? What does this even mean? Because I didnt take gen psych 101 I have no idea what women think? Damn I'm screwed.Now, can't we agree that unless you have studied in Psychology, then men don't know what women on a large basis thinks like and Vise-Versa?
How can you even measure such statements? Unless you lived the life of both a lesbian and a gay man, then I find such claims impossible and just flat out stupid to mention. But I'm glad your unbiased judgement of not being "firm" on the idea of homosexuality isn't clouding your judgement at all.Though I WILl say that being a Female lesbian is easier than being a gay male. Gay men are FAR more likely to be put to shame. This is from a straight man who isn't so firm on the idea of Homosexuality. As sasquatch said, there is a reason why there are lesbian scenes a plenty and little gay scenes(thank FREAKIN god)
Gayness is as gayness does. The only reason we find one more "acceptable" over the other is because of social stigma, end of story.
and I still think the word "retard" is a much more demeaning and worse word to use than "gay".
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Well, what I meant is on a larger basis, wrong choice terms to use but I meant that men can't really understand what most women think about daily and so forth.
Social dogma, yes you are correct, which proves my claims correct. No, it isn't clouding my judgement. Like sasquatch said, there is a reason why female homosexuality is more accepted than male.
When somebody calls somebody else a word, it's root meanings come into service. Calling somebody gay, especially a male, you are saying his masculinity is obsolete, basically saying he is not a man, or acting like a female which is almost the same thing I was getting at. Calling somebody Retarted is basically calling somebody stupid, slow, or a basic lack of intellect, judgement, or logic. If somebody smells water and chokes, there is acceptable grounds to call him stupid. *coughs*.
I think Retard is a softer term than gay. Less controversy behind it. Plus, Retard is basically slow in musical terms. (No sense, I know >.>)
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Can't fully reply to your whole post as I'm a little pushed for time, but this stood out.
In the content of his post, that's how I saw it as he was referring to a gay person/being gay/someone's gayness.
If it's used out of that context to use to say "stupidity" in the same way you'd use "gay", then more love to you. I should have been more clear on the context, but whatever.
Well, it was actually worse at another girls school I had a friend at, and the headteacher was an open lesbian. You'd think that school would have a higher tolerance considering, but no. If you were a discovered lesbian there, you'd go to the bottom of the food chain, as it were.Translation: It's not as acceptable at the all-girls school that you went to.
When two women make out, do something sexual, or insinuate it, isn't it usually in an objectifying or demeaning manner? It's always a show for the males who might be watching, and rarely anything else besides.Try to think of how many television shows, movies, ads, or commercials you've seen that include two females either in a sexual act or insinuating that they're about to start one. Now try to think of the same scenes with males.
While most females may be just as impartial to male homosexuality as they are to female homosexuality, males are much different. While displays of female homosexuality (and, thus, female homosexuality itself) are encouraged by males, displays of male homosexuality (and, thus, male homosexuality itself) are highly discouraged, sometimes to extremes.
Only film I can suggest which for the audience was different to watch was Black Swan, but even in that, the main chracter had her male boss being a douchebag
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So if it's not objectifying and demeaning to us, in the film it probably is. Probably also means more guys went to see the film just for the touching and lesbian scenes, because there was a lot of that.
Also, for reference, when I went to see that film with my friend, there were a group of girls sitting next to us, who were actually, genuinely disgusted at all of the lesbian stuff. They were lucky me and my friend were beyond their levels.
While it's "acceptable" in movies, doesn't mean it's as acceptable in real life.
Also, imo, if two gay guys want to hold hands and make out in public, by all means... go ahead. It doesn't bother me. How can people's right to display affection be denied because a bunch of anal (no pun intended) assholes "don't get off at that type of thing". And that's all it's about; what you can and can't get off to.
I completely agree.
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Now, how much negative attention would that portray comparative to two females?
Where I am from, it is only acceptable when it is the "Gay Parade" which I am pretty sure it is named.
Even still, everybody, and I mean everybody either stays inside, purposely goes to harass them, or goes for free stuff.
I just think gay males have a harder time in comparitive to gay females, though from everybody's opinions, it is widely due to location.
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Well, why should it get negative attention in the first place? Because it's not "hot"? Personal preferences aside, is it really that big of a deal if two gay guys want to hold hands or kiss in public?
I'm not saying for one second it won't get negative attention. I just fail to understand why lesbians can, and gay guys can't without porn preferences being taken into mind.
I'm guessing if it was two ugly chicks making out, that wouldn't be as acceptable, would it? People would be "disgusted". So why is it acceptable for two perfectly formed females to kiss in public, and no one else but straight couples?
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This might sound offensive but it isn't naturally correct. Penis>Vagina. not Penis>Penis.
The part on females is fetish, or for the most part.
Now, if two unattractive females made out, it would be more women saying something than men where I am from. The men would just mind their business and the women would say something. Actually, if two men made out, both genders would say something unless they are homosexual as well.
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Well... a penis can't go into another penis.
Probably NSFW:
Hey, and plus: don't guys ask for anal with women? Why is it okay with women, but not with men?
Best excuse ever if you're a female not wanting to go there.
...and penises can't be a fetish?The part on females is fetish, or for the most part.
Oh. But then men would definitely notice if it was two "smokin' hot babes" making out, right? They just won't bother with the ugly chicks, and mind their own business... huh. Well, here's an idea: mind your own goddamn business when two gay guys make out. Simple. And while you're at it, quit staring at the good looking women making out too.Now, if two unattractive females made out, it would be more women saying something than men where I am from. The men would just mind their business and the women would say something. Actually, if two men made out, both genders would say something unless they are homosexual as well.
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Stupid heterosexual males will say something negative about two guys making out.
They will also say something positive about two girls making out.
This is because they're stupid.
So stop.
Using stupid people.
As your excuse for an argument in this thread.
It makes you sound stupid too.
That shit is gross.
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No, actually, I don't think anybody should be showing that much affection in that manor.
And I have to agree with Block... LMFAO!!
And I said that I don't like the idea of females making out in that manor either.
I said that it SEEMS like from where I AM FROM, that the pretty bisexuals are doing it for male attention. The unattractive ones, guys dismiss. Same why some girls may get upset or disgusted if girls made out. Tsk Tsk Tsk
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And why can't the "pretty bisexuals" (without even starting on how condescending you are being) be "doing it" (I assume you mean showing affection in some way) because they have affection for eachother? If I may, i'd suggest that you WANT them to put on a performance for YOU, regardless of their own desires, and, hell, their dignity.
Arghh. I don't even want to post anymore. Next time I'm on my PC you are getting a big fat negative rep for being a giant homophobe.
Wanna make out? No srsly let's make out, then post pictures in the Post your Pic thread. Sound like a plan?
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I'm not a homophobe. Just because I can't stand them, doesn't mean I will snarf at them when I see one. >.>
I brought up "attractive" because she brought up looks, so I commented on it.
And I said I wouldn't appreciate if female couples, attractive or not did it.
Yous really know how to piss somebody off... *Smmfh*
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I haven't argued how something Ought to be, thats a whole nother discussion, rather the reality of how things are. Yes i'm gonna watch 2 hot girls make out if it is presented in front of me, and this situation is right, yes i'm gonna turn away from 2 dudes rubbin their neckbeards together.
Its also a reality that if you see a a hetero couple start totally going at it in public you are gonna be 'wtf' and weirded out.
Unknown, personal preference aside? The whole point of this is that a vast majority of people share this preference, and that is the evidence which supports that a lesbian will have at least an easier time in society than a gay man,
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Its meaning has changed in the eyes of the new and upcoming generations so much so that the Australian anthem is being reviewed because 'gay' resides in the song with the meaning happy of course and a couple of other Australian songs have also had the word gay taken out have we seriously come down to this instead of addressing the issue and teaching our children the true meaning of the word wed just decide to hide and run away from it all together great policy there people.
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I call people fag's all the time, they need to grow some thicker skin.
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