Elyon Seraphim
Lord Deity of Harmony

You're destroying me here... All my plans are falling to pieces. The way this is going, it will be a very standard, run-of-the-mill quest to save the world... And you already mentioned that you can't combine all the stories into a final story because... the files won't convert or something?

The plot is far from finished. All we have so far is...
- Elyon's parents are dead
- Said parents were containing the power of Shira, which Dimitri acquired
- Dimitri is after something we have yet to explain, its possible he wants what Shira wants
- Alther's friend Natasha met an unadmirable end, and Alther wants vengeance, but he doesn't know who dunnit, this is something of a rehash of Elyon's plot...
- Ralz is traveling the world for self-discovery, and partially because he wants to follow in his dead father's footsteps. His precious, little secret is that he has some form of relation to Dimitri, I just need to figure out what it is without being too lame.
- I say we drop this Meigumi secret, and just give her connections at the utopia
- Nova is a magus-in-training and to complete his training, he needs to acquire the ultimate rune, which may or may not exist, his rival fighting him every step of the way

Chaosthroph and Orderos are two separate PLANETS, devided by a stratosphere and outer space. We have yet to establish how one could visit the other without space ships or at least teleportation. Chaosthroph gets sucked into the nega-realm near the end of the game, because Shira/Dimitri used his power to send it there for some reason.
- The nega-real is slowly devouring Chaosthroph, and its surface is lifeless, depressing and dying. People are eternally reexperiencing their last day for eternity.
- The people on Orderos know that Dimitri must be stopped before Chaosthroph can return

- The government is a select group of very intelligent children, who run the military and soecity of the utopia on the third continent (We should really start naming these places, and please, easily pronouncable ones.) We need to establish what they're after and why we, the heroes, want them taken down.
- We need to explain what Shira is, where it came from, and how it came into contact with Dimitri
- I think if we're dropping the stupid, useless war, that weapon has to go, too. We're better off.

Wait! What about the colosseum? Can we still work with that? What about the accomplishments/crowns? We can't have those? And it weas my crowning moment in awesome...

...: (

Ah, I get it.

Storyz... ;_; Maybe we should start at the beginning before we get to the end. At the rate we're going, Orderos is serving no other purpose than a place to chill while Chaosthroph is nega-fied.

Should I assume we're not using multiple senarios? (Assuming it was possible in the first place.) Like... no chapters describing each character or nothing?

I get the feeling I've asked this question before...

Oh. Can you also make automatic text, or text that automatically closes after a few seconds?

Well, I suppose Elyon could be a a good party leader...

Who was it? They must have a fast computer... o__O I wanted to ask... About the text boxes. How do they work? Do you tell the VX where to put them and how big they are? Do you need to create a separate document the game has to recognize? I can totally help with that if you need it.

Attention span.... fading... can't remember... where to go... (Maybe we could just have the NPCs give general advice...)

Say, Elyon, can we switch part leaders? That'd be cool. I'm assuming we're going with random encounters for enemies?

Just wanna get this out of the way.

Hmm... I'm not sure about dropping such a big help... Is there a way to click on the character's portrait in the status screen which brings up their thought bubble or something? Maybe even their biography changes to illustrate what's happening?

You've certainly accomplished unusual! I never knew ATB went by another name. I suppose I might favor expertise over style.

I have some more ideas surrounding the government this time, but if we get too much into their story, I feel like Dimitri will take a back-seat. Maybe Dimitri starts off as an nuisance that slowly becomes worse and worse to fight? I dunno, I don't want Dimitri to be the "surprise villain behind it all" out of nowhere... Beta and Alphas, huh? Sounds exiciting! I'll look forward to all that, especially if more NPC interaction is involved. COCOA!!!!!

I'm definitely working out the kinks for now, especially those surrounding nega-Chaosthroph. My next idea was that the beginning of the game has everyone gunning for taking out the government. Their rule is oppressive and Elyon and friends have had enough! Granted, its a far-fetched idea that a small group of villagers could infiltrate a heavily-armed military society, fight their way through battle after battle just to subue a bunch of genius kids. And after that, we still have Shira/Dimitri to deal with. I think Dimitri should present himself as an annoying threat throughout. Maybe we don't even have a clear idea of what he's after, just that he's going to be in our way, and we'll have to put him down everytime. I believe once I finish the ending of this game, I can work on the beginning. Weird order, I know...

They are cool transitions, and look very nice. That's good, but its okay if it manages to get by.

I've gotten really bored, so I went onto a VX forum and played one of their games. This is the one I tried.

First Fantasy - RPG Maker VX Community

Wow, they got a lot right. When you said the ATB system caused lag, how bad?

The problem with this game is its a bit too big at the start. Maybe our starting village should be small and easy to manage. And the simple plot also resonated with me. Maybe we should consider a hint system?

What I mean is, not everyone can fully grasp the situation, and sometimes my brain turns off so I forget what I'm supposed to do in a certain situation. You could have the character say something at the party menu, like "We should probably head for the desert" or "we need to find some RARE METAL before proceeding, I hear there are some in a cave to the north..." They can be thoughts to themselves the player is perceiving. Just a thought.

I like the ring menu system. Looks neat and organized, and I like how the computer controls certain allies, and they act very fact in comparison with your controlled character.

I don't know. Its just a vastly different game from ours, so naturally, I try to like everything and want to apply it all to our game. Maybe I'm asking too much... But this is a still some great ideas, here.

Played a bit of the new one, got HORRIBLY interrupted and couldn't play for awhile.

While I was playing, I managed to see Ralz's new attack, which is awesome, and Meigumi has status restoration runes now!? Also, Alther's new move is effectively backwards from his other moves, but maybe that's a good thing. Also, Elyon's new move is kinda bad, but it is fast.

I like the renaming of Elyon's status buffs and his new ultimate weapon instead of Valborg.

Also, the item issue we discussed actually still persists, but I've only seen it when you get a weapon.

EDIT: I like the new battle transition and the result screen. Nice work. Also, Elyon's Oversword looks and is strong enough to be an Overlimit, kinda powerful and flashy-like. I defeated Dimitri, but Alther died.

I do like the EXP screen, though. Nice touch. A lot of things were much better this time around. =)

Okay, had another stroke of ideas. Just watched this and got inspired.

http://spoonyexperiment.com/2010/12/...soon/#comments

Gotta love evil Spoony.

Anyway, when I heard "only the doctor and the clone remain." I actually thought of how to explain Elyon and his father. What if Elyon was somehow related to Shira? And let's say the father isn't really dead. Its like you said before, Elyon's parents act as limiters to Shira's power. He sought to kill the mother, but was unable to kill the father. Although, the situation made it look like the father died, too. In reality, Elyon is also the final limiter on Shira's power, and in order for Shira to destroy/rule the universe, Elyon has to die.

And that double-voice WAS sexy, yes. Its possible that could be a scene in the game, where we attempt to defeat Dimitri again at his tower, only to lose. Elyon is not in the party at this time, whatever he's off doing.

Shira has no interest in the other party members, so he leaves them for dead. Only the player would hear Dimitri speak to himself about "only Elyon and the doctor are left. Soon everything will be ready..."

I dunno. It seems a little dumb the further it goes, but what do you think?

Almost there, huh? What are the next demos gonna be like?

Assuming we have another kind of demo after these ones.

Sounds really great. It feels both happy and sad. A game's theme must reflect its own story events, so we'll have to have something of a bittersweet ending.

Cool, cool. Just felt a little wierd is all.

Hey, Elyon, I wanted to go over something with you real quick. When you get an item in the game, it shows what the item is, gives its name, then says "Item got!" It seems a little redundant. Let me show you.



Before...



And after. If you can't change it so it doesn't say Magic Ether after we've establishes its a Magic Ether, perhaps you can change the first message so nothing appears. That way, when we open the chest, the item shows up, then a text box shows up saying "Magic Ether got!"

Think you can do that?

I get that at random times.

The parents would need to be connected to Shira, somehow. As long as they're alive, Shira's true power could never be unleashed, then?

I was thinking the alien power was a voice in the back of his head telling him to do these awful things. As time goes on, he believes everything he is doing is right, and trying to stop him is an evil act. And the sad part is, Dimitri still dies never knowing he was corrupting and what he was doing was evil.

I had it that it was technically Dimitri, but Shira had assumed full control, and by the end of the fight, when it begins its "Ragnarok" phases, or whatever we call them now, Dimitri dies.

I can feel it, too. Maybe once this plot is assembled, we can push closer towards our goal.

What's wrong?

I was listening to some backwards themes before that, and then it hit me. We could visit the "nega-Chaosthroph" whenever we wanted by entering some portal on Orderos. You can visit any location on Chaosthroph, and maybe a new area or two has appeared, one of which would be the "secret" dungeon. Maybe we could thrown in "dimension hoppers" who aren't from Chaosthroph but are from the nega realm. They might reveal what's going on and what needs to happen, but they also happen to sell very nice stuff you can't get anywhere else!

....For prices in the millions of course....

As for how we "solve the problems," I can come up with that as we go. I'm also trying to devise a way for Dimitri to do the things he does. But I'm stuck between:

1. He hates Chaosthroph for some reason. (The war idea was probably his reasoning behind it, but if we drop that idea, I'm not sure what he'd have against Chaosthroph.)
2. He acquires an "ultimate, alien power" that slowly corrupts him as he goes. He used to be a nice kid on Orderos, but then he started to go mad when he got that power. (That could also explain his change into Shira Dimitri at the end.)
3. He's doing it for the lolz. But he didn't just come up with this entire plan on his notebook. No, he's been planning this for years. Manipulating the government, guiding Elyon's path, everything leads to what has been his grand scheme.

Ultimately, I liked idea 2, because its not an idea that's "thrown in at the last minute." Its touched upon when we visit Dimitri's hometown. They say he used to be "such a good boy, but one day, he came back to the village with a different look in his eye. The poor boy was never the same." Although, Dimitri has convinced himself everything he does is completely his doing. The "alien" power assumes control when Dimitri's refusal to die becomes overpowering, and from there, he must be killed. I also was thinking the reason Chaosthroph was sent to the "nega-realm" was because of the "alien" power. Defeating Dimitri, and thus the power, was the only way to truly save Chaosthroph.

I also had a small plotpoint that the first battle with Dimitri is unwinnable, and after we lose, we are sent to Orderos, and learn of Chaosthroph's disappearance. This happens just about right after we take care of/defeat the government. Basically, I'm working in reverse on the plot. Taking care of the ending and going backwards. ._.

Ultimately, though, war or not, I still can't figure out why Dimitri, or whoever, would want Elyon's parents dead.

Also, I hope you had a great Christmas, Hannukah(?) or whatever you celebrate. =)