Before I go on, I want to make it clear that I'm not a feminist or masculinist - I'm not even going to add the word to my dictionary. From my experiences, most of the "nice" feminists just end up objectifying themselves which I find hypocritical, and the hardcore, "I HATE MEN" ones are a right "cheerful" bunch. I just believe, quite simply, everyone deserves equal rights and opportunity regardless of gender, sexuality, religion, race, etc, and fighting for a side or two will never change that.

That made me sound very naive (again, probably), but I will always understand that everyone has different needs (funnily enough, we had a debate about this in the course I'm doing today).

I remember watching a video with a previously mentioned before feminist, and there's a part when a very skimpy waitress who worked in a biker bar flaunted herself at a bunch of bikers, and then got all upset when one pushed her on the snooker table against her will, and forced himself on her. While I'm completely against that sort of behaviour, wasn't she kind of asking for it? Sure, she didn't give consent for that, but she was certainly giving consent for something. Talk about being all bark and no bite... anyway. Why put yourself in a dangerous situation like that? I can't remember quite what I said, but it was along the lines of "Stupid girl pretty much brought that on herself," and this girl got furious with me, and while I understand somewhat why, she never let me explain myself or get my opinion across about it because she was too busy pausing the video and explaining feminists to me, and that I should think about being one.

One of my more closer friends, who's a feminist, ranted at me when I told them that I didn't vote last year. I got an earful of "The Suffragettes went through so much to get you the vote, and you're not even voting?!" I argued back that it's my right, as a human being, to choose whether I wish to vote or not, and that in my opinion, my vote isn't going to make a difference against the millions of other votes which will undoubtedly **** my life up anyway.

Pretty much why right there I dislike modern feminist movement. ANYWAY.

Quote Originally Posted by Alpha
What are some examples? Well, in my own three years at university, taking a broad range in papers in everything from Religious Studies to Statistics, Geology to Asian Studies, I have never had a class in which there are equal numbers of males and females. Rather, in every single one of my classes, there have always been more females than males. Indeed, it is the case across my entire nation, and, as far as I am aware, all Western nations, that women outnumber men by at least a 3:2 ratio (60% female, 40% male) --- indeed, in my own institution the disparity is greater than this (though there are of course sectoral variations, with science having more men than women, for instance).
Females do better in single sex schools, according to a study a few years ago, and I think it was males do better in a mixed sex environment than in single sex-education (with women still being better). Women also outnumber men in the entire world. It's not like we can get males to produce more Y chromosomes to even the number. That probably has nothing to do with the ratio, but then I don't really think not having an equal amount of boys and girls in a class is anti/pro-anything. When I was at college, there was twenty-one people in my class when we started, and three of us were girls - and we three girls were there from start to finish with only guys dropping out. 7:1 ratio. That's incredibly outnumbered.

What's more, my university, like many others, has a Women's Studies programme, but not a complementary Men's Studies one. There is a concern within the men's rights movement (MRM) that Women's Studies neglects gender equality, and instead teaches feminist ideology. Thus, we see feminists who argue that Men's Studies programmes are redundant, stating that academia throughout history has focussed on men by default. I do accept the validity of this argument up to a point, especially with the consideration that, throughout history, most academics have been men. The question then becomes whether or not it is possible for male academics to be gender neutral. I'd say they have been able to, as most courses throughout history have not even dealt with gender; how can men propagate a male ideology without considering gender at all?
The guys had their football team at college, and there was nothing for girls to part-take in, despite the girl who got through into the council saying she'd have one put in place.

Equal opportunities doesn't mean treating everyone fairly, but meeting everyone's needs. If females do better at school than males, then maybe universities will invest more time and money in making sure that they have the utilities to study in, and the support they need to succeed. If more men want to play football than women, the university will invest time and money into a team. So why not invest time and money into a male study group, or a female's football team? If there's a call for it, it'll be done.

I can see right now that my examples are going to give me shit from a few people, but it's just how it seems to me - I'm not necessarily agreeing with it, but it's an idea.

Quote Originally Posted by HeartlessAngel
In fact I'd say male targetted sexism has been integrated and accepted as a norm for so long, that a majority of men don't even care about it anymore, and advocate it themselves. Alpha suggesting that this thread would sound like whining is a prime example. If a girl had made a thread talking about anti female slogan t shirts or something like that, we'd have the feminists here in full force supporting her, yet when a male makes a thread suggesting this possibility I'm forced to say, if I were to hear a guy complaining about shirts saying throw rocks at boys even my own natural reaction would be, "Wow dude, don't be a *****, it's a shirt, man up and deal with it". I'd be willing to bet most men have in some way accepted male targetted sexism as so normal and even acceptable, that we'd see the occasional person who would be hurt by this and complain about it as weak or whiny.
Women just can't take a joke, amirite?

KFC getting women to hand out flyers or whatever wearing pants with "Chicken lickin' good!" or whatever the hell it was written across their ass, I can see why there'd be an uproar. Men wouldn't get asked to wear those bottoms. A top with "Does this top make my boobs look big?" written across the bosom is a tad on the objectifying side if you ask me, because it's just going to make people read it and "look at your boobs", but I see the humour - if women are going to think it's cool and buy it, then there's no call for an argument, really. Men could wear a top like that, and it'd still be funny. But "Chicken Linkin' Good!"? Nah, it'll never happen.

And the way I look at it, there's always some jackass to invent something that will upset someone because of their sex. I say ignore it. =/