Boys are stupid, throw rocks at them!

[AshNStuff]

The one inescapable fact of the matter is, they're in that situation (almost always) because they chose to be, or at least chose not to take appropriate measures to prevent it. When you do stupid irresponsible shit, there are usually going to be unpleasant consequences. The kid's half the father's as well, so he should definitely get a say in the descision. Doesn't really matter who has to do more work to bring the baby into the world, if the woman didn't want to go through all that, she should've kept her damn legs closed. If a man wants the baby aborted because he isn't ready for the hassle of being a father, and the mother wants the baby carried to term, the father has no say in the matter. Why? He's the one who's going to be legally obligated to pay child support in spite of him not wanting to have to take responsibility for his mistakes. What the Hell makes the woman so damn special that she doesn't have to own up to the same mistake when the roles are reversed? Nothing.

That's true. I wish they would base it on the individual, but I know they couldn't do that. Maybe there would be a mother who didn't want the kid because the father is such a **** or maybe one or both of them are on drugs. I know that when I lost my virginity it was because some guy took advantage of the fact that I was drunk, which I consider rape.. but at the same time it I know it was partly my fault, I wasn't even old enough to drink. I just know that had I gotten pregnant, there's no way I would have kept that kid. And I wouldn't have taken what he said seriously whatsoever, because he was the one who had a conscious mind at the time but still chose to go at it. Plus, it would have been considered statuatory rape.. since I was 16 and he was 19. I hate him...

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That's true. I wish they would base it on the individual, but I know they couldn't do that. Maybe there would be a mother who didn't want the kid because the father is such a **** or maybe one or both of them are on drugs. I know that when I lost my virginity it was because some guy took advantage of the fact that I was drunk, which I consider rape.. but at the same time it I know it was partly my fault, I wasn't even old enough to drink. I just know that had I gotten pregnant, there's no way I would have kept that kid. And I wouldn't have taken what he said seriously whatsoever, because he was the one who had a conscious mind at the time but still chose to go at it. Plus, it would have been considered statuatory rape.. since I was 16 and he was 19. I hate him...

Nice story about rape. Good one. I hope you sleep better tonight after getting that off your shoulders. My apologies if you actually were raped, but I'm not buying it. If you actually thought you were raped you wouldn't casually talk about it like that, because it's a pretty serious issue. That's a topic for another thread, though.

So basically you think women have to hold 100% of the weight on their shoulders for abortion? I disagree. Yes, women carry a child in their bodies for 9ish months. That's the only part of pregnancy that is solely the woman's part. Even that isn't truly all about the woman. You seem to think men are irresponsible pigs who live off the fact that they don't have to carry a child in their womb, which is true in some cases, but you're kind of an asshole for assuming that it's 100% of all cases.

The responsibility of a pregnancy is equally both men and women's. The physical aspect is what causes the imbalance in the equality, but that doesn't rule the man out of being responsible.

ps: Heartless Angel, shut the **** up with the "she should have kept her legs closed" shit. Stop putting all the guilt on the woman for such an act. It's (usually) a mutual decision when people have sex. If you're going to say that, then when you get someone pregnant you didn't want to, I'm going to tell you that you should have kept your **** soft.

[Heartless Angel]

ps: Heartless Angel, shut the **** up with the "she should have kept her legs closed" shit. Stop putting all the guilt on the woman for such an act. It's (usually) a mutual decision when people have sex. If you're going to say that, then when you get someone pregnant you didn't want to, I'm going to tell you that you should have kept your **** soft.

I see, you appear to be laboring under the delusion that my view isn't already exactly that. Or at least similar enough for the sake of the argument, obviously you can't control your boners, but you're fully capable of keeping it in your pants. When I do shit, I own up to it. If I knock up a chick, unless we managed to get a hold of some faulty contraceptives (in which case it was just a case of me gambling and losing which still makes it my responsibility), it's because I chose to. And in any case I'll take responsibility for my actions, because that's what a man does. I was responding to a statement that the woman was the only one with the right to decide because she had to go through the physical shit, which is something she can control entirely on her own by taking responsibility for her own actions, meaning if she ended up in that position when she didn't want to, it was in fact her mistake (excluding cases of rape, which I wasn't talking about at the time). In fact the very point I was making, is that a woman should have an equal repsonibility in stark contrast to your accusation that I was 'putting all the guilt on the woman', when in fact quite the oppositie was true. If a man makes the mistake, tough shit, he's legally obligated to pay the consequences whether he wanted to have a kid or not, meanwhile a woman who makes the same mistake is given the power over life and death to weasel out of it if she decides she doesn't feel like taking on the responsibilities of a parent. If you have a rebuttal to what I'm actually saying, I'd love to hear it, otherwise, kindly **** off.

[AshNStuff]

Nice story about rape. Good one. I hope you sleep better tonight after getting that off your shoulders. My apologies if you actually were raped, but I'm not buying it. If you actually thought you were raped you wouldn't casually talk about it like that, because it's a pretty serious issue. That's a topic for another thread, though.

So basically you think women have to hold 100% of the weight on their shoulders for abortion? I disagree. Yes, women carry a child in their bodies for 9ish months. That's the only part of pregnancy that is solely the woman's part. Even that isn't truly all about the woman. You seem to think men are irresponsible pigs who live off the fact that they don't have to carry a child in their womb, which is true in some cases, but you're kind of an asshole for assuming that it's 100% of all cases.

The responsibility of a pregnancy is equally both men and women's. The physical aspect is what causes the imbalance in the equality, but that doesn't rule the man out of being responsible.

ps: Heartless Angel, shut the **** up with the "she should have kept her legs closed" shit. Stop putting all the guilt on the woman for such an act. It's (usually) a mutual decision when people have sex. If you're going to say that, then when you get someone pregnant you didn't want to, I'm going to tell you that you should have kept your **** soft.

haha, you didn't get what I was saying. I also said that I know that it was a good deal my fault. And yes it's a true story, but I really don't care if you believe me lol. It was only traumatizing in the sense that I lost my virginity when I didn't want to, but I got over it because I know I'm not a slut and that shit happens.

& I'm not saying that, but a pregnancy can complicate a woman's health in various ways. For a man, that does not happen. Some women even die from it, not so much anymore but it's still possible. That's all I was saying, really.. so don't cry, and don't cream your panties... it will be okay my friend

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haha, you didn't get what I was saying. I also said that I know that it was a good deal my fault. And yes it's a true story, but I really don't care if you believe me lol. It was only traumatizing in the sense that I lost my virginity when I didn't want to, but I got over it because I know I'm not a slut and that shit happens.

& I'm not saying that, but a pregnancy can complicate a woman's health in various ways. For a man, that does not happen. Some women even die from it, not so much anymore but it's still possible. That's all I was saying, really.. so don't cry, and don't cream your panties... it will be okay my friend

No, you didn't get what I was saying. You consented to it, drunk or not. The fact that you regret it doesn't make it rape, and it doesn't make you a slut either.

Also, I realize that women can have health problems with pregnancy, and the possibility of death when the child is born. I was referring to the responsibility of men regarding pregnancy. I even mentioned exactly this in my post. Did you read it?

[AshNStuff]

No, you didn't get what I was saying. You consented to it, drunk or not. The fact that you regret it doesn't make it rape, and it doesn't make you a slut either.

Also, I realize that women can have health problems with pregnancy, and the possibility of death when the child is born. I was referring to the responsibility of men regarding pregnancy. I even mentioned exactly this in my post. Did you read it?

I drunkenly consented to it, I suppose... I don't even remember lol. & I can't remember that either. I'm too high for this