Boys are stupid, throw rocks at them!

[Unknown Entity]

Before I go on, I want to make it clear that I'm not a feminist or masculinist - I'm not even going to add the word to my dictionary. From my experiences, most of the "nice" feminists just end up objectifying themselves which I find hypocritical, and the hardcore, "I HATE MEN" ones are a right "cheerful" bunch. I just believe, quite simply, everyone deserves equal rights and opportunity regardless of gender, sexuality, religion, race, etc, and fighting for a side or two will never change that.

That made me sound very naive (again, probably), but I will always understand that everyone has different needs (funnily enough, we had a debate about this in the course I'm doing today).

I remember watching a video with a previously mentioned before feminist, and there's a part when a very skimpy waitress who worked in a biker bar flaunted herself at a bunch of bikers, and then got all upset when one pushed her on the snooker table against her will, and forced himself on her. While I'm completely against that sort of behaviour, wasn't she kind of asking for it? Sure, she didn't give consent for that, but she was certainly giving consent for something. Talk about being all bark and no bite... anyway. Why put yourself in a dangerous situation like that? I can't remember quite what I said, but it was along the lines of "Stupid girl pretty much brought that on herself," and this girl got furious with me, and while I understand somewhat why, she never let me explain myself or get my opinion across about it because she was too busy pausing the video and explaining feminists to me, and that I should think about being one.

One of my more closer friends, who's a feminist, ranted at me when I told them that I didn't vote last year. I got an earful of "The Suffragettes went through so much to get you the vote, and you're not even voting?!" I argued back that it's my right, as a human being, to choose whether I wish to vote or not, and that in my opinion, my vote isn't going to make a difference against the millions of other votes which will undoubtedly **** my life up anyway.

Pretty much why right there I dislike modern feminist movement. ANYWAY.

What are some examples? Well, in my own three years at university, taking a broad range in papers in everything from Religious Studies to Statistics, Geology to Asian Studies, I have never had a class in which there are equal numbers of males and females. Rather, in every single one of my classes, there have always been more females than males. Indeed, it is the case across my entire nation, and, as far as I am aware, all Western nations, that women outnumber men by at least a 3:2 ratio (60% female, 40% male) --- indeed, in my own institution the disparity is greater than this (though there are of course sectoral variations, with science having more men than women, for instance).

Females do better in single sex schools, according to a study a few years ago, and I think it was males do better in a mixed sex environment than in single sex-education (with women still being better). Women also outnumber men in the entire world. It's not like we can get males to produce more Y chromosomes to even the number. That probably has nothing to do with the ratio, but then I don't really think not having an equal amount of boys and girls in a class is anti/pro-anything. When I was at college, there was twenty-one people in my class when we started, and three of us were girls - and we three girls were there from start to finish with only guys dropping out. 7:1 ratio. That's incredibly outnumbered.

What's more, my university, like many others, has a Women's Studies programme, but not a complementary Men's Studies one. There is a concern within the men's rights movement (MRM) that Women's Studies neglects gender equality, and instead teaches feminist ideology. Thus, we see feminists who argue that Men's Studies programmes are redundant, stating that academia throughout history has focussed on men by default. I do accept the validity of this argument up to a point, especially with the consideration that, throughout history, most academics have been men. The question then becomes whether or not it is possible for male academics to be gender neutral. I'd say they have been able to, as most courses throughout history have not even dealt with gender; how can men propagate a male ideology without considering gender at all?

The guys had their football team at college, and there was nothing for girls to part-take in, despite the girl who got through into the council saying she'd have one put in place.

Equal opportunities doesn't mean treating everyone fairly, but meeting everyone's needs. If females do better at school than males, then maybe universities will invest more time and money in making sure that they have the utilities to study in, and the support they need to succeed. If more men want to play football than women, the university will invest time and money into a team. So why not invest time and money into a male study group, or a female's football team? If there's a call for it, it'll be done.

I can see right now that my examples are going to give me shit from a few people, but it's just how it seems to me - I'm not necessarily agreeing with it, but it's an idea.

In fact I'd say male targetted sexism has been integrated and accepted as a norm for so long, that a majority of men don't even care about it anymore, and advocate it themselves. Alpha suggesting that this thread would sound like whining is a prime example. If a girl had made a thread talking about anti female slogan t shirts or something like that, we'd have the feminists here in full force supporting her, yet when a male makes a thread suggesting this possibility I'm forced to say, if I were to hear a guy complaining about shirts saying throw rocks at boys even my own natural reaction would be, "Wow dude, don't be a *****, it's a shirt, man up and deal with it". I'd be willing to bet most men have in some way accepted male targetted sexism as so normal and even acceptable, that we'd see the occasional person who would be hurt by this and complain about it as weak or whiny.

Women just can't take a joke, amirite?

KFC getting women to hand out flyers or whatever wearing pants with "Chicken lickin' good!" or whatever the hell it was written across their ass, I can see why there'd be an uproar. Men wouldn't get asked to wear those bottoms. A top with "Does this top make my boobs look big?" written across the bosom is a tad on the objectifying side if you ask me, because it's just going to make people read it and "look at your boobs", but I see the humour - if women are going to think it's cool and buy it, then there's no call for an argument, really. Men could wear a top like that, and it'd still be funny. But "Chicken Linkin' Good!"? Nah, it'll never happen.

And the way I look at it, there's always some jackass to invent something that will upset someone because of their sex. I say ignore it. =/

[Heartless Angel]

Women just can't take a joke, amirite?

Though I generally avoid saying things like that myself, I have absolutely no problem agreeing with it when you say it for me =P.

And the way I look at it, there's always some jackass to invent something that will upset someone because of their sex. I say ignore it. =/

That's my stance as well, but I don't speak for everyone unfortunately.

[Alpha]

I just believe, quite simply, everyone deserves equal rights and opportunity regardless of gender, sexuality, religion, race, etc, and fighting for a side or two will never change that.

I believe that too, but the difference in our perspectives, as I see it, is that I want to make it explicit, or we won't ever see it become a reality.

I remember watching a video with a previously mentioned before feminist, and there's a part when a very skimpy waitress who worked in a biker bar flaunted herself at a bunch of bikers, and then got all upset when one pushed her on the snooker table against her will, and forced himself on her. While I'm completely against that sort of behaviour, wasn't she kind of asking for it? Sure, she didn't give consent for that, but she was certainly giving consent for something. Talk about being all bark and no bite... anyway. Why put yourself in a dangerous situation like that? I can't remember quite what I said, but it was along the lines of "Stupid girl pretty much brought that on herself," and this girl got furious with me, and while I understand somewhat why, she never let me explain myself or get my opinion across about it because she was too busy pausing the video and explaining feminists to me, and that I should think about being one.

I really don't want to make you feel as though you have to be a feminist, or that your perspective is 'wrong'. Please don't interpret anything that way, ever -- but I agree with this girl who got antsy at you. If this waitress was put in a situation beyond her consent then, by definition, she was not asking for it. It's like... say I'm walking around in a firing range, among the targets. Sure, it's pretty stupid, but the people holding guns should know better than to continue shooting. Where this analogy breaks down however, is that there are restrictions on walking among the targets of a firing range. There are no rules on how a woman or man chooses to dress. However I dress has no bearing on what someone may do to me against my will (consent).

One of my more closer friends, who's a feminist, ranted at me when I told them that I didn't vote last year. I got an earful of "The Suffragettes went through so much to get you the vote, and you're not even voting?!" I argued back that it's my right, as a human being, to choose whether I wish to vote or not, and that in my opinion, my vote isn't going to make a difference against the millions of other votes which will undoubtedly **** my life up anyway.

The right to vote is not an obligation to vote. Unless you live in Belgium. Then you have to.

Females do better in single sex schools, according to a study a few years ago, and I think it was males do better in a mixed sex environment than in single sex-education (with women still being better). Women also outnumber men in the entire world. It's not like we can get males to produce more Y chromosomes to even the number. That probably has nothing to do with the ratio, but then I don't really think not having an equal amount of boys and girls in a class is anti/pro-anything. When I was at college, there was twenty-one people in my class when we started, and three of us were girls - and we three girls were there from start to finish with only guys dropping out. 7:1 ratio. That's incredibly outnumbered.

That is outnumbered, but on the aggregate, women are outperforming and out-representing men in education. You appear to not consider this problematic. Well, is it problematic that men outnumber women in government in every single country in the entire world? Not to mention boardrooms. There isn't a single country with approximately the same number of men and women in public or private executive positions. I find this concerning -- what is it about men that makes them more suitable for positions of power? I say that there is nothing, and therefore there is no possible justification for this situation. It is inequitable, and I think it should be explicitly addressed.

Similarly, what is it about women that makes them more suitable for higher education (currently -- it has, of course, not always been the case)? Again, I say nothing, so we should address the situation by encouraging men's participation and achievement by whatever means. Why did we reach gender equity in education, then reverse the situation and then not even care that the situation was reversed?

...Sorry about picking your post apart like that. I don't like doing it, but it's easier when I'm feeling lazy.

[Rowan]

Feminists are a pest. How can you take a stand against an entire sex when its the individuals that are making the decisions. Do feminists think guys get together and discuss ways to belittle women in the world? They make me sick. 'Feminism' implies the action to make 'womens rights' known throughout the communites they dwell therein and beyond. What the hell rights are they talking about that have to do with MALES. Wage equities are and should ALWAYS be based upon skill level, thats the way it is. I have never known a women to be paid less because she is a women, by a man who says "you are going to be paid less because you are a women." Gender related issues are irrlevant in this world as long as there will always be the individiual. The individial is the person who is responsible for themselves, and does not represent a whole. The whole being the Male gender which feminists have fussed up a whine about.

Domestic Violence is a problem, as previously stated, males tend to be stronger than women. Now, domestic violence comes from an inability to control ones emotions, in particular, anger. When this anger becomes rage, the man can lash out on a wife or daughter. This is domestic violence. But in the other scenario, in which a women attacks the man or son, this is also domestic violence. So when feminists chant and rave about domestic violence, they dont acknowledge the female aggressors.


There are numerous videos of these so called 'womens rights' groups making fun of/disrupting Mens rights groups.
sauce:
YouTube - Feminists Disrupt a Forum About Battered Husbands 1

Which just goes to show the complete ignorance of these groups (notice how im talking about feminists and not females?)
the problem is that their cause is hypocritical. They want their so called 'rights' yet they dont realise that what they are fighting for, women already have. I concur, many of these feminists have been abused in some ways by a man. But the last thing they should have done is formed a group to blame MEN.

What pisses me off is the way they present themselves to other females. Like they are proud strong people fighting for some worthy cause and trying to address problems whilst they point fingers at the wrong people. In the end, it could possibly give them more rights than a man.

Women already have the say in numerous different areas. As stated in earlier posts, rights to abortions, entitlements to property which wasnt theirs from divorce etc. I most certainly hope that this whole issue of rights will be decimated from the face of the earth and hope that everyone realises that LAW applies to human beings as a whole. And that domestic violence, pay rates etc, applies to the individual, reguardless of gender. This is how it is, anyone who believes differently is clearly deluded and/or a feminist.

[Kyreaan]

This reminds me of the feminist movement of the 1970's. There was an author who wrote sex help books and novels and caused a bit of a stir by people who were offended by education. People who think like perverts and must assume other people are as sick minded as themselves are disgusting to me. That should have been considered fraud. Anyway, it sparked a revolution in a time when women were already burning bras and going 'Hoo-plaa' with their picket signs as their weapons. It's like in the movie PCU with the group of feminist college hippies. Many different movements and group of women strong for women came out of the wood work.

Some used media in order to place their voice into a format for slapping the man up side his head. One of the first groups that come to mind are the Guerrilla Girls. These artists are one of the groups I studied in college. They still have a web site up as you can see. These guys are off the wall and probably good drinking buddies.

Another issue that comes to mind is the world of fight sports. This is something I would very much like to start training for again before I get too old. I could also take a shot at stuntman if given the chance, but I digress. The issue that comes to mind is the market and money surrounding women's MMA. Women in fighting it turns out do not make as much money as do the men in MMA. This is a ruff comparison of around $15,000 for win in women's fighting to an amount of $150,000 for win in men's cage fights.

Things in life don't appear fair it seems. It's like being shot down for something that you can prove is wrong and unfactual, but because of poor leadership and politics they force someone to live a farse and lie. Someone's answer one would think would be the system that was supposed to give them freedom and equality in the first place, yet force you to fight for it. If something doesn't fit into their perfect little box of reality, they either label you insane or just a liar. Public corruption sucks.