Enough

[davfra]

I was enjoying this but, sadly, I've have to give in. I just couldn't get past Odin. That kid with me gets killed withinn seconds everytime.
I've spent hours trying to get past this bit and getting nowhere.

[Xithor]

Hope dies quickly? Well the way that I drove up his gestualt gauge was to start out in an attacking paradigm, Light as a COM and Hope as a RAV and when he starts inflicting too much damage flip to Light as a COM and Hope as a MED or Light as a RAV and Hope as a MED if he gets real close to filling the gauge. What attacks are getting you so quickly? Trying to think of a more specific strategy, how advanced are you through your Crystarium?

[Dodie16]

^ Also a good thing to use is maybe before entering the cutscene where Odin appears, you use a fortisol on your characters. I did that when I got fed up with losing to Odin, and did much better with that go.

[Ralz]

Well, you could try praying to Sephiroth. He just might be able to help you win.

If that doesn't work, you are not one of his chosen. In which case you should swap between Double Dose and Dualcast Paradigms regurarly. That's Med, Med and Rav, Rav. Always heal when he begins his combo.

[Tiffany]

I'm sure you've already tried it, but did you use Libra before the fight? I found that helped me immensely when it came time to fight the Eidolons. I was super frustrated with this fight as well!

While he's defending use that time to either heal or switch to 2 ravagers and give 'er. Using Fortisol and Aegisol beforehand really helps too.

[davfra]

" how advanced are you through your Crystarium?"

I have an idea this could be the problem. I used the crystaruim but quite honestly, I wasn't too sure what I was doing. The thing just used to suddenly spark into life without any imput from me. I don't know how far I am through it.
Odin just goes straight for the boy and he dies double quick.

[winterborn86]

I found Odin quite easy, it was Sahz's Eidolon that I found the hardest, hope you manage to do it

[Jonathanx221]

I was enjoying this but, sadly, I've have to give in. I just couldn't get past Odin. That kid with me gets killed withinn seconds everytime.
I've spent hours trying to get past this bit and getting nowhere.

Make hope a medic, and have Lightning spam thunder over and over. Level up a bit if you can too. You'll beat it.

[Xithor]

" how advanced are you through your Crystarium?"

I have an idea this could be the problem. I used the crystaruim but quite honestly, I wasn't too sure what I was doing. The thing just used to suddenly spark into life without any imput from me. I don't know how far I am through it.
Odin just goes straight for the boy and he dies double quick.

Well take a look at your crystarium and you wanna work Lightning through in this order, well at least I found this way the best for me. I upgraded her as far as I could as a Ravager first, then Commando, and finally Medic. As for Hope I worked him through Medic first, Ravager (which becomes more useful later on because of both his ability to cast lots of high level magic as well as his high magic power), and finally Synergist. But I recommend getting Haste as soon as it becomes available but that's still a whiles off.

As for dealing with Odin: Use symbiosis as your active paradigm (Light as a MED and Hope as a SYN) and let Hope cast protect and shell right off the bat. Odin tends to attack the people who are doing the healing and that's prob why he kills Hope so fast, this way he attacks Light while Hope gets some buffs up. Once those are cast switch to War and Peace (Light - COM, Hope - MED). When he goes to perform Ullr's Shield switch to Dualcasting (both RAV's) but as soon as he continues attacking back to War and Peace. Let me know if that strategy helps at all

[Andromeda]

Well I think the better question is to ask what your stats are, specific HP and how much Cystarium Points are available for each character. I think that will help to tell a lot about the situation. Also how much fighting have you been doing? Do you fight everything you come across or do you avoid fights?

[davfra]

My stats Lightning : HP605 CP 0 Strength 84 Magic 88 Commando Ravager Medic
" " Hope : HP440 CP 0 Strength 65 Magic 74 Ravager Synergist Medic
Lightening has Commando Augmented Attacks Ravager Improved Chaining Medic Augmented healing.
Hope has Ravager Improved Chaining Synergist extended enhancements Medic Augmented healing
I unwisely used all my CP without really knowing what I was selecting.
With a commando and a medic, I almost had him once.
Hope you can help, because I really like the game. I'm using Xbox360, if that makes any difference.
I do appreciate all the advice.

[Tiffany]

I did the same thing, and while its annoying it is definitely fixable! You can always go back and do some grinding through the level to farm some CP.

That's what I did. I had to go back and forth a few times from the save point before Odin to as far back as I could go (I think where you enter the level after riding that big mech thing) and then back and forth again. Also, have you upgraded your weapons? I would definitely upgrade Lightning's weapon if can be. I didn't realize how to do it and I wasted valuable components on upgrading an iron bangle accessory for Hope.

Good luck!

[Andromeda]

I want to say you have too little HP, but I'm uncertain. So long as you fight pretty much everything you run across without fighting anything twice you should not have to really worry about wasting CP on anything until Chapter 9 or 10. Right now if you fight everything you should before the Crystarium recently upgraded have had almost everything completed.

If you the Crystarium before the most recent upgrade was not nearly completed then you could be underpowered. You did not answer how much fighting you have been doing which is a factor as well. But I want to say with 400 and 600 HP that it is far too low. It is still early in the game, but I think it should be higher than that. You should have some HP bangles around that will help to give Hope some extra HP so that he can survive the hits that he takes.

[davfra]

I did all the fights but I notice on some, I only got three stars and on others nothing at all.
Are you saying that I shouldn't have gone to the cristarium until chapter 9?

[Andromeda]

No I was saying that until Chapter 9 you don't have to worry about how you spend the CP. So long as you hit about 90% of the fights in your path you would come out with enough CP to finish out almost all of the Crystarium you currently have available to you. So you don't need to worry about how you spend your points right now. So long as you're spending there is no such thing as wasting them on one slot or another. Eventually it will get to the point when they are expensive and you will start feeling like you have to make some choices, but now is not the time.

If you've fought every fight and spent all of your CP. Then you should be in a fine position. It is just about tactics and equipment. If Hope is dying a lot equipment whatever is your best HP accessory on him so he has some extra HP. As for tactics if I remember right Odin meter goes up when you heal or protect others as well as in your chain bonus. So you should feel encourage to heal whenever Hope is losing some HP. I'm not sure if you'll get more of the meter up if you continually restart the chain bonus or maintain what you have. I think I had some better results hitting him a little and healing and then hitting him again.

Remember that Ravager in what get the Chain Bonus up and not the Commando. And I do believe that is the Chain Bonus. So keep Ravager in rather than Commando because I don't think it is about the damage so much as the Chain Bonus number itself that matters. So doing Ravager x2 will probably be better. If Hope has anything as a Synergist if it is available to him yet use that as well to improve Hope's survivability.

[Tiffany]

Andromeda's right.

If you use Libra you see that Odin yields to those who "amass chain bonuses" and to those who "heal the wounded".

War and Peace (Commando/medic) and Ying and Yang (Ravager/Medic) should help too. Then going to Slash and Burn (Commando/Ravager) when you are in a good position HP wise.

[davfra]

With hit points of 605 and 440 do you think that's enough? Or should I start over again and see if I can arrive at this point with more points?

[davfra]

"If you use Libra you see that Odin yields to those who "amass chain bonuses" and to those who "heal the wounded"."

I don't understand this bit. He's whacking the crap out of Hope who's a medic

[Tiffany]

Its the Gestalt gauge that you need to drive up. So kind of like to beat Shiva with Snow it wasn't about actually kicking the crap out of the Shiva Sisters, their Gestalt gauge increased more rapidly when Snow defended as a sentinel.

So its the same idea. Chaining bonuses and healing yourself and Hope will help big time to make the gauge fill faster. So having the paradigm War and Peace will help, as Lighting will attack (getting chain bonuses, filling up the gestalt gauge) and Hope will heal Lightning and himself (again, filling up the gauge quicker as its one of the things that Odin is 'weak' against).

Not sure if I've explained that correctly!

Edit: Ying and Yang could help as well, as that would have Lightning be a Ravager and Hope as a Medic.


Edit again!

I can't take credit for this, but here is another strategy:

SPOILER!!:

A good strategy is to use Lightning as a healer and keep Hope as a ravager whenever Odin is in attacking mode, or when you see that he is getting low on health. Then, whenever Odin takes a defensive stand, or when the health bar in both Lightning and Hope is full enough, use them both as ravagers. Considering Odin will alternate between attacking the two for unspecified periods of time, another good strategy is having the one he is not attacking be a Ravager and attack Odin continuously with magic while the one is is attacking does the healing as a Medic, then switching the roles when he turns his focus onto the other character.

I didn't avoid fights either when I did this but I definitely had issues.

[Furore]

I remember realising with Odin that if you upgrade your characters as much as possible like Andro suggested, often you can get the gestalt gauge up high enough with a straight out attack (chain bonus requirement does it). When it looks like he's about to kick your ass, just keep going and repeatedly nail the Square button and you should get it with Hope having a small amount of life and Lightning a moderate amount.

You could be cautious, but the above way is an easy 5 stars and also tends to be rather fast.

[davfra]

I got him! It was so easy in the end. I've always let the AI choose the attacks. This time I selected fire and thunder and he fell quite easily.
Thank for all the advice.

[Heartless Angel]

Odin I almost lost to. Claimed victory with like, 12 left on the doom counter >.<

I noticed after the first few near deaths, that he seemed to LOVE spamming the crap out of hope, who I had healing. So, I let Lightning do that instead. Ended up doing it all with Yin & Yang, with Hope as a ravager. A sngle attack combo gets a fairly large chunk of the chain guage, and with no commando, it falls quick and lets you boost it up to that point again. Even doing it this way though, I found myself frantically throwing poitions more than once. But, I'm too stubborn to die

[Padraic]

The way I did this fight was start with both as medics,wait untill he attacked, heal, Libra, than switch to the Slash and Burn Paradigm. and once they started to get hurt, switch to the double medic, etc.

[Ralz]

I didn't know how Odin was SUPPOSED to be defeated. If I used Libra like any normal person... >.<

Anyway, I did the force method. Only healing when necessary, and attacking otherwise. I suppose it never occured to me that his gauge was rising when I was healing Hope.

Hope's HP is pretty low at this point, so those Bangles might come in handy. Spark Rings wouldn't be a bad idea, either. (The game conveniently gives you two right before the battle... Hmm.)

[Heartless Angel]

I always Libra everything. Just because my ravagers are usually the unluckiest in beings in existance, and by guessing, always pick what the enemy resists, is immune to, or absorbs first.