Who the hell exactly is Ultimecia?

[Locke4God]

No, I didn't mean denial, like they are in denial,,, I meant they denied the theory. I'm accepting their dismissal of the theory as wrong.

OK I've got your age plot hole, but ya know,,,, she's a sorceress. Could she have some age potion laying around, or perhaps she's hopped into the future a few times. Obviously she has time manipulating ability. She could have easily jumped a few decades ahead before the point in the game where we know she's now in the distant future. Or maybe she used the time powers directly on herself. Might explain her insanity.

What else ya got?


(@ the above comment from Rikku - One reason I always bought the Rinoa theory is exactly what you said. How are we supposed to know her past? But somebody from the future, would be more apt to have their past in our present and thus we could have learning about it all along without knowing it. I think that's what makes the Rinoa twist so powerful, is that she was the villian all the time and not even she knew it.) Of course I say this with knowledge that it's not true. Just having fun.

[Angel of Iniquity]

No, I didn't denial, like they are in denial,,, I meant they denied the theory. I'm accepting their dismissal of the theory as wrong.

OK I've got your age plot hole, but ya know,,,, she's a sorceress. Could she have some age potion laying around, or perhaps she's hopped into the future a few times. Obviously she has time manipulating ability. She could have easily jumped a few decades ahead before the point in the game where we know she's now in the distant future. Or maybe she used the time powers directly on herself. Might explain her insanity.

What else ya got?

Well her insanity came from knowing that SeeD were to kill her, knowing what SeeD were, or learning what SeeD were.

In a quote from another User.
In Ultimecia's time-line sorceresses are hunted down because of what they are. When she becomes a sorceress herself she is unfairly persecuted. SeeD members and probably people in general attacked any sorceress because they knew that 1 of those sorceresses was going to be the "cold-blooded" tryant - Ultimecia. Why they persecuted sorceresses and their knowledge of Ultimecia is from Ultimecia failing in creating a Time Compression. She knew she was to be defeated by the "Legendary SeeD". Ultimecia was condemned for crimes she had not even committed yet and to survive the attempts against her life from SeeD & to stop the "Legendary SeeD" she wanted to compress time. With time compressed no one except her could exist therefore preventing her demise to the "Legendary SeeD". That's why she says "all existence denied".
`Zargabaath

[Locke4God]

Yeah I buy that. And thanks,

But any other plot holes? If I just said, Rinoa lived longer than Squall. They had to hide out their whole lives because they were tracking her down. She turned him into Griever at his death, hopped forward in time a few centuries, grew insane, then came back with the Ultimacia time compression thing, does that not fit? Or I guess, in what way might that not fit?

[Angel of Iniquity]

Yeah I buy that. And thanks,

But any other plot holes? If I just said, Rinoa lived longer than Squall. They had to hide out their whole lives because they were tracking her down. She turned him into Griever at his death, hopped forward in time a few centuries, grew insane, then came back with the Ultimacia time compression thing, does that not fit? Or I guess, in what way might that not fit?

When a sorceress gets her powers, they usually have a set themes, which would mean, Adel is non-elemental, Edea is Ice, Ultimecia is Time, and Rinoa is Holy.
That dosn't hold much credit but let me elaborate.

How can Rinoa gain any sort of Time magic if she never had any in the first place? We can see that her primary magic set is holy from her limit break. Plus, Ultimecia didn't understand the entire object of seeD, which is why she Kept Squall alive. She wanted to know why she was getting hunted in her term.

[Locke4God]

Hummmm, interesting take on the Holy aspect of Rinoa's powers. I'd never considered that.

The other point about Ultimacia not knowing I could chalk up to her insanity or dissassociation with reality, but the magic set is a pretty good arguement you make.

[Angel of Iniquity]

Hummmm, interesting take on the Holy aspect of Rinoa's powers. I'd never considered that.

The other point about Ultimacia not knowing I could chalk up to her insanity or dissassociation with reality, but the magic set is a pretty good arguement you make.

One thing that is weird is Ultimecia seems to have mind reading abilities, posted from her "animation" of Greiver.
Also, from my understanding, Greiver is a real GF. But the one she summons is a complete difference than what is shown on Squalls necklace or ring.
She also pierced Squalls shoulder with edeas attack with no hesitation.
I don't think Rinoa would have done that.

[Locke4God]

Well as far as hurting Squall, think about the "you always hurt the ones you love" phenomenon. She obviously healed him after, which now that I think about it would answer a very big question that was left unanswered. After he's hurt, he wakes up in the prison with no injury whatsoever. It would actually make great since if Ultimacia (as Rinoa) had hurt him, then realized what'd she'd done and fixed it. Otherwise there is no answer and they never address the situation again.

And I've always thought if Griever was simply a dead squall turned GF from the future, as the other GF's in the game are previously living entities, then that would demonstrate further her illogical obsession with him, and perhaps fuel her need to see him alive again.

[Zargabaath]

When a sorceress gets her powers, they usually have a set themes, which would mean, Adel is non-elemental...

Adel's "element" is man-hood. A giant sorceress that has better defined muscles, including pecks, than any man in Final Fantasy VIII.

As for Griever: if I remember correctly, Griever is Squall's interpretation of the ultimate Guardian Force, extracted from Squall's mind & brought to life by Ultimecia during the final battle.

Locke4Godeople are hunting the sorceresses down because they know one of them is going to try time compression. Exactly when the start to hunt down and persecute them is not certain just in the future. How far into the future is unknown.

When time is involved things get confusing. Just look at Final Fantasy. Chaos is Garland flung into the past by the Fiends with their power. Yet, how would there be a Chaos Shrine if Garland has yet to die? When there is time travel/time loops/people f*ck*ng with time, how events happened initially are hard to discern.