Who the hell exactly is Ultimecia?

[Angel of Iniquity]

Yeah I buy that. And thanks,

But any other plot holes? If I just said, Rinoa lived longer than Squall. They had to hide out their whole lives because they were tracking her down. She turned him into Griever at his death, hopped forward in time a few centuries, grew insane, then came back with the Ultimacia time compression thing, does that not fit? Or I guess, in what way might that not fit?

When a sorceress gets her powers, they usually have a set themes, which would mean, Adel is non-elemental, Edea is Ice, Ultimecia is Time, and Rinoa is Holy.
That dosn't hold much credit but let me elaborate.

How can Rinoa gain any sort of Time magic if she never had any in the first place? We can see that her primary magic set is holy from her limit break. Plus, Ultimecia didn't understand the entire object of seeD, which is why she Kept Squall alive. She wanted to know why she was getting hunted in her term.

[Locke4God]

Hummmm, interesting take on the Holy aspect of Rinoa's powers. I'd never considered that.

The other point about Ultimacia not knowing I could chalk up to her insanity or dissassociation with reality, but the magic set is a pretty good arguement you make.

[Angel of Iniquity]

Hummmm, interesting take on the Holy aspect of Rinoa's powers. I'd never considered that.

The other point about Ultimacia not knowing I could chalk up to her insanity or dissassociation with reality, but the magic set is a pretty good arguement you make.

One thing that is weird is Ultimecia seems to have mind reading abilities, posted from her "animation" of Greiver.
Also, from my understanding, Greiver is a real GF. But the one she summons is a complete difference than what is shown on Squalls necklace or ring.
She also pierced Squalls shoulder with edeas attack with no hesitation.
I don't think Rinoa would have done that.

[Locke4God]

Well as far as hurting Squall, think about the "you always hurt the ones you love" phenomenon. She obviously healed him after, which now that I think about it would answer a very big question that was left unanswered. After he's hurt, he wakes up in the prison with no injury whatsoever. It would actually make great since if Ultimacia (as Rinoa) had hurt him, then realized what'd she'd done and fixed it. Otherwise there is no answer and they never address the situation again.

And I've always thought if Griever was simply a dead squall turned GF from the future, as the other GF's in the game are previously living entities, then that would demonstrate further her illogical obsession with him, and perhaps fuel her need to see him alive again.

[Angel of Iniquity]

Well as far as hurting Squall, think about the "you always hurt the ones you love" phenomenon. She obviously healed him after, which now that I think about it would answer a very big question that was left unanswered. After he's hurt, he wakes up in the prison with no injury whatsoever. It would actually make great since if Ultimacia (as Rinoa) had hurt him, then realized what'd she'd done and fixed it. Otherwise there is no answer and they never address the situation again.

And I've always thought if Griever was simply a dead squall turned GF from the future, as the other GF's in the game are previously living entities, then that would demonstrate further her illogical obsession with him, and perhaps fuel her need to see him alive again.

Well when squall is revived, Seifer asked what seeD was. Ultimecia needed him alive to know. Greiver was stated to be a legendary GF, meaning Greiver can't be Squall, unless you are leaning to the form that the party battles.

[Locke4God]

I'll be honest, I've never noticed there to be different forms of Griever. I kind of thought the whole point of naming him earlier in the game was to show that he was at the very least unique in the final battle, and possibly that there was a deeper connection between the three of them. Why is Squall carrying around a necklace of this Legendary GF, and why is that GF presented as a symbol of the game? I'm just thinking out loud. That makes me think there's a more personal connection of the GF to squall himself and not that Squall just likes him or something.

When/Where is it stated that Griever is a legendary (old) GF?

[Angel of Iniquity]

I'll be honest, I've never noticed there to be different forms of Griever. I kind of thought the whole point of naming him earlier in the game was to show that he was at the very least unique in the final battle, and possibly that there was a deeper connection between the three of them. Why is Squall carrying around a necklace of this Legendary GF, and why is that GF presented as a symbol of the game? I'm just thinking out loud. That makes me think there's a more personal connection of the GF to squall himself and not that Squall just likes him or something.

When/Where is it stated that Griever is a legendary (old) GF?

Well, there are several sources, but the only one I can remember is scanning Greiver during the last battle.
And the battle themse that plays is named Legendary beast or Legendary summon, one of those two.

[Zargabaath]

When a sorceress gets her powers, they usually have a set themes, which would mean, Adel is non-elemental...

Adel's "element" is man-hood. A giant sorceress that has better defined muscles, including pecks, than any man in Final Fantasy VIII.

As for Griever: if I remember correctly, Griever is Squall's interpretation of the ultimate Guardian Force, extracted from Squall's mind & brought to life by Ultimecia during the final battle.

Locke4Godeople are hunting the sorceresses down because they know one of them is going to try time compression. Exactly when the start to hunt down and persecute them is not certain just in the future. How far into the future is unknown.

When time is involved things get confusing. Just look at Final Fantasy. Chaos is Garland flung into the past by the Fiends with their power. Yet, how would there be a Chaos Shrine if Garland has yet to die? When there is time travel/time loops/people f*ck*ng with time, how events happened initially are hard to discern.