TFF of Europe

**Autumn** · 08-30-2005, 11:10 AM

This thread hasn't been too active recently so I will talk about my recent exploit(s):

So last weekend was the London Notting Hill Carnival and I decided to show up for a short time on the Sunday. The carnival, like all the others Notting Hill carnivals I had been to in previous years sucked. The cramped conditions make pickpocketing easy, the burger vendors along the streets sell you undercooked meat so you can throw up later in the evening and the fools who can't control their alcohol consumption level behave unacceptably in public. So, why did I go? Because I got asked by a few friends. That's it. I didn't get drunk nor did I dance or act in a carnival manner. I just don't do that sort of thing.

Some months ago I was walking along the high street in Wycombe (this one's mainly for NeoNecron) and a guy came up to me and offered me some weed. I politely declined.

**Usagy** · 08-31-2005, 05:52 PM

Drunk..a lot.
Cheap wine....makes you have a headache the next day. And makes you get as ****ed up to do singstar at Ps2 and play hints >.>
I did "Worms" the game....people actually guessed it when I crawled over the floor and did like I launched a bazooka.

Gay goats suck balls!!

Peace out

Govinda · 09-01-2005, 10:26 AM

Last Monday. Wheatus played King Tut's. Pity I can't remeber too much of it....

Funny thing is, its the first time i've drunk at a gig. Never again, oh God, no. Kinda funny looking back tho. See the things you do in pubs when crappy support bands are playing....

Anyone have any good gig memories?

**Autumn** · 09-01-2005, 11:55 AM

Originally Posted by Shiva

Anyone have any good gig memories?

Reading 2004. I wasn't there but my friend did attend. And do you remember reading about 50 Cent getting bottled off the stage? I'm sure it would've been amusing to have been there. For those who can't remember or don't know, apparently someone threw a chair onto the stage, lots of booing started amongst the crowd and then full up bottles started getting thrown onto the stage.

It's a shame I don't think all that much of the bands that usually play at the Reading Festival.

**Neo Necron** · 09-02-2005, 12:40 PM

Originally Posted by Winter

For those who can't remember or don't know, apparently someone threw a chair onto the stage,

Yeah, a camping chair to be precise. My friend Matt was there, he told me all about it.

I'd like to give one of these music festivals a try some time. I've never been to one before. I've been to 1 or 2 gigs, but that's it.

Govinda · 09-03-2005, 10:32 AM

I went to the Download in Glasgow last year. It was a little mincy, to be honest; the Lost-fkin-Prophets were headlining, and most of the crowd was asleep.

Linkin Park were alright, strangely. The Distillers were, as per usual, outrageuosly out of tune.

But festivals are good. And 50 Cent deserved that, its good to hear!

**Autumn** · 09-05-2005, 11:15 AM

Come on people, we should talk about the upcoming general election in Germany. So, it seems all parties are focusing on the Germany's recently faltering economy, with each side promising lower unemployment levels, especially for Eastern Germany. I read that Eastern Germany still remains more troubled (such as 20% unemployment in places) than the Western side of the country, despite being so many years after the fall of the Berlin Wall.

Samurai Kenji, our resident German, should fill us in on some more details. And I'd like to know who he'd vote for.

I'd also like to talk about the EU-China talks and what should be done about the stockpile of Chinese goodss and quotas but instead I've decided to write a longer piece on protectionism and trade for later.

**Nolwynn** · 09-05-2005, 12:44 PM

*hits Winter in the head* hard.

Edit: GAH, Look what I've missed:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Winter
The way I believe the French economy survives is through the multiplier effect. It is where the government "injects" money into the economy through public spending and this money increase demand which creates jobs and with more jobs people consume more, which in turn raises demand and the whole thing cycles round again. The value of the multiplier depends on how much 'leakage' there is, i.e. taxes, foreign imports, saving and the like. It also depends on the marginal propensity to consume. (Sorry to patronize you if you already know this, but other people here may not). Due to the high taxes required to support the welfare spending of the French government I shouldn't think any multiplier has a value larger than two. Of course, large government spending has to be paid for and high taxes would hinder the effect of the multiplier. Perhaps the nation is so used to the status quo the workers are prepared to earn money which the government then taxes a substantial portion of away. I'm not sure.

Does France run a trade surplus or deficit? I don't actually know this one.

I don't acknowledge such as thing as involutary unemployment. There is only voluntary employment, which means the market will stablize itself at full employment. By 'full' I mean the natural rate of employment. And what is the natural rate? This natural rate alters depending on the wage level. Forget about this. I like what I've typed here so it is going to stay, although it has nothing to do with what I've just said and what I'm about to say.

Britain has one of the lowest unemployment rates in Europe, according to the ILO it is only 4.7%. However, the numbers of unemployed people have been going up steadily the past six months.

Investment does not affect the wage price spiral. Lack of investment in capital can signify a lack on demand in consumer goods.

So, I take it the minimum wage is too high in Sweden? I think the minimum wage should be abolished. That way the labour market can find its own wage rate, rather than being distorted and actually creating unemployment. (Refer back to the natural rate of unemployment above.)

Economic stagnation won't necessarily be helped with high inflation. What is known as 'stagflation' in Britain during the 1970s confused a lot of people. Unemployment and inflation were rising at the same time, which shouldn't have happened. To cure economic stagflation you need to pursue supply side measures and in this way you also keep inflation under control. Another way to control inflation is through monetary policy, rather than fiscal methods. I believe as long as the money supply is controlled, inflation will be kept under control. Why? The price level is directly linked to the quantity of money.

Oh, and all currencies in the world should be floating currencies. On top of that governments around the world should not feel a need to hold reserves and try to manipulate their currency. It certainly isn't sustainable along with a few other problems it poses. It'll also rid the need of government's complaining about trade deficits. If your currency is allowed to float then any surplus or deficit is quickly eliminated. Then again, I'm sure most companies know that. They're just too worried by the "instability" that a floating currency may cause them. Oh well.
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Ok, to make it short, not to kill this club. Entirely.
I major in economics, so yes, I'm quite familiar with multiplier effects, spirals, stagflation etc etc. Which, I guess, is why it bores me to no end. I don't know if you were serious with this post or not, you're a clever guy and you know it.

But all you did now was to quote my books for me. Which I'm sure wasn't your intention at all. Basically I'm just having a hard time figuring you out. And I'm tired. Do you want my honest opinions or are you just burping things because you have nothing better to do?
-Investment does indirectly, through money demand, effect wage/price levels. But it's quite another story, I agree.
-It's not entirely true that you can control inflation through MS. It is to a certain point, and in theory I suppose it would be possible. Still, don't you think it's a naive conclusion?
-I reeeeeally didn't want to get into this kind of discussion. Ecnomics is a science of its own, there are so many factors to take into consideration and I have no clue where you stand knowledgewise. It's just silly.
-And please forgive me for exaggerating this. I have no patience these days. You're a good guy Winter!

And I'm going on vacation - again. Byyye!

**Banned Testicle** · 09-05-2005, 12:48 PM

*hits Nolwynn in the head* hard.

But honestly, she's right, I dont think there are alot of people on here that know enough to discuss those issues with you... and frankly, I wouldnt be able to be bothered etiher. I dont discuss politics often and even less on forums. It contributes as much to the world as throing bananas at a submarine.

Exactly, a submarine.

**Akira** · 09-05-2005, 01:15 PM

It is quite true about the unemployment rate being staggering, even after pumping countless amounts of money and many attempts to lower it into the east. Strangely enough, the Western Germans complain about having to send so much money into "modernization" of the East, while the Ossies (as we call them in the West) complain about us having more jobs then them.

To tell you the truth, no one has access to jobs. It is a horendous problem and no one knows how to effectively solve it. That of course being the reason for the change to SPD (Social-Democratic Party of Germany) in the last elections. Now people will most likely switch to CDU (Christain Democratic Union) again in hopes to remedy the problem.

I personally think all partys are terrible in Germany and dont really think we will see a drastic change in the trend. I would vote for CDU without a doubt if their candidate was not such a stupid bitch. The SPD is also never going to get my vote because I dont like their apporach at political and economic issues. Ill probably vote for the FDP (Liberals) since they promise to create more jobs and increase wages effectively. If theyll succeed is another question.

I would like to add that we get two votes. One goes toward the partys candidate and one towards the actual party. Thats to stop the issue caused by majority votes, where the party that got the actual majority wins, disregarding that the other party's voters will have no representation even if they make up a majority of the total votes. This is the problem that rises in the British voting system.

You may want to ask Toromor for his oppinion as well since he lives in Germany as well and might have some comments to drop that I forgot. He'll probably vote for himself as dictator though, so that question may become a little pointless hehe.

**Autumn** · 09-05-2005, 01:40 PM

Originally Posted by Nolwynn

*hits Winter in the head* hard.

Originally Posted by Banned Testicle

But honestly, she's right, I dont think there are alot of people on here that know enough to discuss those issues with you... and frankly, I wouldnt be able to be bothered etiher. I dont discuss politics often and even less on forums. It contributes as much to the world as throing bananas at a submarine.

Exactly, a submarine.

Of course, talking about politics on some internet forum isn't going to change the world, let alone a country but that isn't the reason why I discuss these things. It just allows me to find out other people's viewpoints and assess my own as well as re-enforce my current perspectives by talking about it.

Originally Posted by Samurai Kenji I

It is quite true about the unemployment rate being staggering, even after pumping countless amounts of money and many attempts to lower it into the east. Strangely enough, the Western Germans complain about having to send so much money into "modernization" of the East, while the Ossies (as we call them in the West) complain about us having more jobs then them.

To tell you the truth, no one has access to jobs. It is a horendous problem and no one knows how to effectively solve it. That of course being the reason for the change to SPD (Social-Democratic Party of Germany) in the last elections. Now people will most likely switch to CDU (Christain Democratic Union) again in hopes to remedy the problem.

I personally think all partys are terrible in Germany and dont really think we will see a drastic change in the trend. I would vote for CDU without a doubt if their candidate was not such a stupid bitch. The SPD is also never going to get my vote because I dont like their apporach at political and economic issues. Ill probably vote for the FDP (Liberals) since they promise to create more jobs and increase wages effectively. If theyll succeed is another question.

I would like to add that we get two votes. One goes toward the partys candidate and one towards the actual party. Thats to stop the issue caused by majority votes, where the party that got the actual majority wins, disregarding that the other party's voters will have no representation even if they make up a majority of the total votes. This is the problem that rises in the British voting system.

You may want to ask Toromor for his oppinion as well since he lives in Germany as well and might have some comments to drop that I forgot. He'll probably vote for himself as dictator though, so that question may become a little pointless hehe.

Thanks for telling me this.

In Britain it is true you only get one vote in the general election and you are voting for your local Member of Parliment who represents your area in the House of Commons although often the MP you support is likely to be the political party you would want to see come to (or remain) in power anyway.

**Nolwynn** · 09-05-2005, 01:41 PM

*hits Khorde*
That's for you not showing up at T-centralen!

Edit:
Winter: I just yelled at you some more. I'm just slow with my edits.
hihi.

Edit:
But by reading what you said to Khorde just now, I guess you are for real - after all.
Cool.

You can be the new ObsoleteResolve.

Edit:
It gets really lonely in here sometimes.

**Autumn** · 09-05-2005, 02:12 PM

Originally Posted by Nolwynn

Edit:
Winter: I just yelled at you some more. I'm just slow with my edits.
hihi.

Haha, interesting edit you made back there. Inflation gets controlled by the money supply as long as you can predict the velocity. But you must know that, especially since I now know you are majoring in Economics.

I suppose the velocity is something difficult to predict but as the subject bores you and everyone else here I won't say anymore about it.

Originally Posted by Nolwynn

Edit:
But by reading what you said to Khorde just now, I guess you are for real - after all.
Cool.

You can be the new ObsoleteResolve.

Haha, thanks.

Originally Posted by Nolwynn

Edit:
It gets really lonely in here sometimes.

It certainly does.

**Banned Testicle** · 09-06-2005, 01:07 PM

Originally Posted by Winter

Of course, talking about politics on some internet forum isn't going to change the world, let alone a country but that isn't the reason why I discuss these things. It just allows me to find out other people's viewpoints and assess my own as well as re-enforce my current perspectives by talking about it.

Just so you know, I wasnt critizing you in any way, just telling you why I dont discuss politics very often

Infact, I admire your willpower to write so long, coherent posts

I couldnt be bothered to do so unless there was ...well something valuable at stake ...such as my dignity.

*hits Nolwynn on the head*

Damn you for not being online more often! And T-centralen?! Woman, it was my birthday..I had to be there for the gathering...Would be strange if the mainevent wasnt there, wouldnt it be?

Exactly.

**Neo Necron** · 09-10-2005, 12:30 PM

Oh crap...

I hear Neo Necron's back from his holiday in Cornwall... that sucks.
I guess we'd better update him on the conversation he's missed as he's too lazy to read through posts and catch up.

Cornwall was awesome. It's one place in Britain you're never ashamed to be in. Losts of sea and cliffs and cornish pasties and stereotypical sea captains.
It's like being in Pirates of the Carribean... only in britain.... and the pirates are british and aren't pirates, but friendly bar patrons.

**Nolwynn** · 09-12-2005, 02:55 AM

Winter: don't let us stop you, go ahead and talk about anything you want. Even economics. As I said, I just didn't know whether you were for real or not. I still think it's a fascinating subject, otherwise I'd never have chosen it as my major.

Khorde, ok, I'll give you another chance. T-centralen in two weeks. Deal? I'll make you coffee.

Neo, welcome back!

**Victoria** · 09-12-2005, 08:54 AM

Sashie. Instead of saying we have to Skype soon, we should just actually do it. =P
Enough of empty promises. Let's just do it! When we next see each other online. We should just do it!

**Nolwynn** · 09-12-2005, 12:27 PM

Ok! I'm all for it.

Edit just to make this less spammy:

Why don't we have any French members?

**Banned Testicle** · 09-12-2005, 12:36 PM

^Okey, How NOT subtle can you be on a scale from 1 to 10 ?

I GIVE YOU A 10.

YOull have to pay for that copyright theft!

**Divi-Dead** · 09-23-2005, 09:00 AM

Originally Posted by Neo Necron

Cornwall was awesome. It's one place in Britain you're never ashamed to be in. Losts of sea and cliffs and cornish pasties and stereotypical sea captains.
It's like being in Pirates of the Carribean... only in britain.... and the pirates are british and aren't pirates, but friendly bar patrons.

That was the worst comparison ever, Mate

Anyway, Yeah, If you people remember me...great, if you don't...the hell with you.

When did you restart this thing anyway?

**Nolwynn** · 09-24-2005, 01:51 AM

Of course we remember you Divi, welcome back. Things are a bit slow around here nowadays, so it's good you're back with us

Khorde, we can share?

So what's going on people? I'm following hurricane Rita's violent advance with great anxiety as I have friends in Houston. I heard from them a couple of days ago and they told me they weren't gonna seek shelter or anything, but now I can't get hold of them at all. =/ Suddenly everything became so much more real.

**Divi-Dead** · 09-24-2005, 02:38 AM

I know someone from another forum who is going to get hit by it, I hope she'll be ok, We Europeans never get anything this bad.

**Banned Testicle** · 09-24-2005, 04:39 AM

I think I was drunk last night :/

**RedMagician** · 09-24-2005, 06:02 AM

Yes, you were. I saw you on my backyard. Please, come and make it clean

**Autumn** · 09-24-2005, 06:13 AM

BUY GOLD! PROFIT FROM HURRICANE RITA!!!11 Sorry.

A hurricane hit Britain in 1987. The damage wasn't on the same scale of what we've just seen though.

This sudden burst of posting will now be followed by a period of inactivity.

**Nolwynn** · 09-25-2005, 12:44 AM

Dear Mr Fortune teller, please make me rich!

**Autumn** · 09-25-2005, 06:05 AM

Originally Posted by Nolwynn

Dear Mr Fortune teller, please make me rich!

Buy low and sell high!

Make short term investments in companies that are going to be bought out! Don't be like the Sage of Omaha!

Also, when I go see a fortune teller her favourite psychic aid is the 'paper fortune teller' where by I'm asked a series of gruelling questions such as "pick a colour' and 'pick another colour'.