The Seekers of Illumination

Sin I noticed a few posts up you mentioned a club rp. That sounds pretty interesting and therefore I am interested in it. I guess I have to go search it out and read up to see what you are referring to.

In respect to your questions Sin I will do my best to give you my thoughts. Most of the day was spent kinda just thinking them out.

If your personality and identity is to be completely erased from existence, are you afraid of it?

It seems a little weird but I'm not afraid if this was to happen. I know that nothing I have done will every have my name attached to it both good and bad. That is contained with mixed feelings itself, but in the end I suppose the pros weigh out the cons and I am ok with that. Not being missed is probably the greatest blessing in this scenario, I'm satisfied to think that all the times I've tried to esteem someone else in my stead won't be seen as glory to myself.

Are you too confident that it won't happen to even consider your feelings?

I guess I can't say that I am, because I am considering it although I would like to say that I am confident enough. I suppose I am not quite so strong in my faith that I can stand and say I don't sometimes doubt. Where the difference lies is that even though I doubt I don't act on that doubt but instead look for ways to defend against it.

Are you going to heaven or hell?(presupposing the existence of both)

Heaven, solely based on faith in promises that will be kept.

How are you going to deal with existing there forever?

I think I would take it quite well, spending eternity in the presence of the one who kept those promises will be something truly amazing. I hope that I will be thankful for every moment there knowing that I could've ended up somewheres else.

Is there any other possibility you're prepared to accept?

Actually no, I kinda think that conflicts with the whole purpose of faith. You know making a plan B just in case plan A falls through. I guess it doesn't seem like a very logical thing to do but then again faith isn't very logical to begin with.

Are you afraid?

No I'm not, I got over that fear a few years back. With what I have placed my faith in death isn't seen as a awful thing, just an unnatural end to the corruption of the life we are given. Death is just the gateway from the physical to the eternal or so I believe.

If your personality and identity is to be completely erased from existence, are you afraid of it?

Nope. Merely curious. I do not honestly believe all of a person ceases to exist regardless of what happens. Seems too damned wasteful.

Are you too confident that it won't happen to even consider your feelings?

My feelings are that ceasing to exist most likely won't happen. I just get a feeling. And even if I did cease to exist completely, what's the problem? You wouldn't really give a damn if you didn't exist, right?

Are you going to heaven or hell?(presupposing the existence of both)

I'd hope Heaven, but I'd imagine purgatory first for a good period of time. For the whole sin cleansing thing.

How are you going to deal with existing there forever?

Like I deal with existing here. Just gotta roll with it. :D
Forever is a long time, but if it's the ultimate destination...
Something would keep it interesting.

Is there any other possibility you're prepared to accept?

Whatever happens, happens. In the end we've done what we've done and will face the unknown. Even one who believes in Heaven and Hell cannot really know what either place will look like if they've never been there yet. So there's always that sense of the unknown.

Are you afraid?

Nope. More excited than anything else.. Me being rather curiousity driven half the time and all.

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Originally Posted by Atma-Noah

Sin I noticed a few posts up you mentioned a club rp. That sounds pretty interesting and therefore I am interested in it. I guess I have to go search it out and read up to see what you are referring to.

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I wish there was something to see. But it's still in the planning stages. The man with all the answers there would be Oskar. I've heard that he intends to use the same characters as our old RP, which ended somewhat unsuccessfully.


Now to my own questions:

If your personality and identity is to be completely erased from existence, are you afraid of it?
Honestly. Yes and No. Yes because I have become accustomed to how I am at this moment. No, because I KNOW that it is absolutely impossible for me not to exist in some form. I will be always a part of this universe. I don't remember anything before this life, because I lacked a brain that stored memories. If the worst I'm to endure is to go back being what I was before, I'm not too cursed. I'll have my fun first, though.



Are you too confident that it won't happen to even consider your feelings?
Nope. I am certain of nothing. I don't just believe and hope, I act. I make contingencies. If I sell myself that I will go to heaven and that there are big pearly gates and at some point I lose that faith, I am destroyed. Diversified as I am, I've explored plenty of options to last me my lifetime and more.


Are you going to heaven or hell?(presupposing the existence of both)
This is a tough one and depending on which denomination, the answer changes significantly. I believe that a man named Jesus existed and that he represented more than a human. I believe in God. I have been baptized. I protested my faith in front of a conglomeration with genuine feelings at the time. So rather than answer for all the denomination, that is it.


How are you going to deal with existing there forever?
As a mortal, an eternity doing anything makes me feel sick. Perhaps, in that respect, death is welcome. Not that I am ungrateful to my creator, but if he is asking which I'd rather, I'd rather not answer. But then my conception of Heaven is a stupid one based on ignorance rather than experience.


Is there any other possibility you're prepared to accept?
The possibility of Taoism seems the greatest to me. What is that? Return from where you came. The world, solar system, galaxy, universe all revolve around cycles. What happens once will likely happen again in an appreciably different way. I wouldn't call death the ultimate end, but it is for Brandon Zachary, whoever the hell he is, be he a collection of memories or a conscious entity.

Are you afraid?
I was, would be, but now it is more in the fashion of concern. I may feel differently when I lay dying. Death is portrayed as one big scary joke that hurts. Granted it takes a while for it to be funny. But I'll go ahead and start laughing.

-Sin

About the RP...for Noah's knowledge: there was an RP done not so long ago, dealing with roleplaying some of the club's history, but it fell slightly on activity not very long afterwards. I sought to look for more activity in the club before reviving the RP, which would imply detailing the "realm" where the faction stands (much like the Halls, or the Pillars of Balance: us would be the Pillars of Illumination) Maybe around some time I might retake that work, hopefully before August. I've seen enough satisfactory movements around here.

Anyways, on to discussion. This is gonna be long, it seems:
If your personality and identity is to be completely erased from existence, are you afraid of it?
Yes, and no. I am very jealous, so to say, of my identity. I seek to avoid, subvert, and laugh at stereotypes. Trying as much not to be pigeonholed, given the varied number of applicable stereotypes (Latin, Puerto Rican, Geek, Otaku, Gamer, Nerd, Rocker, and so forth), seeking my own comfortable identity. It would suck that all my work would go to waste, so that would be the "yes" in that sense. But, if I am going to cease to exist, well, I gotta be resigned to it. Hence, the "no".

Are you too confident that it won't happen to even consider your feelings?
I can't seem to consider myself confident. Life is an open book, with the chapters delined by a higher source, but the actual action is the random whim of life with the small flicker of my willpower seeking to alter the results. I dunno when I'll die, or when I'll get married, so I seek not to be bothered by it.

Are you going to heaven or hell?(presupposing the existence of both)
Hopefully Heaven. Though, well, I guess good acts do not suffice. Taking a page from Dante, I guess...Limbo? Odd, since I'd rather believe in Dante's version of Hell rather than the general conception. Adds a certain depth and degree, some elegance that isn't seen in the "infinite space filled with angsty angst". Yet, unlike Dante, I believe in no Purgatory: for a Purgatory, we have this life, right?

How are you going to deal with existing there forever?
Like here? Having no worries on what'll happen later, as essentially afterwards it'll be either one heck of a free time or one heck of a torture. I can only guess: I bet I won't be bored in Heaven, and I won't have any time to think in Hell. Limbo...I'll drift in the boredom.

Is there any other possibility you're prepared to accept?
Um...no. Not really. Rather not get any illusions and expect the unexpected than believing in something like, say, reincarnation, or spiritual drift.

Are you afraid?
I think so. What terrifies me is not death itself, but the very process. That unknown moment where a person gets spirited away is much more terrifying than what'll happen later. We get an idea of what'll happen after death. And before.But during, that's the big unanswered question.

Now, I have a request for all of the members (and members only, this is a club-related question).

How, as members, do you consider is your drive in here? The discussions, or the promise of combat? You might be in an in-between, but there is something you'd probably prefer more than the other. I'll expect at least 3-4 answers before I reveal why I need that lil' questionnaire answered.

All I can say is, it's something left in the board, and now's the best moment to work around it.

In response to your questionnaire I would say that the drive of the club for me would be discussion. Most of my time here was spent rping and such which was fun but reading the discussions here while I was at school was something that intrigued me quite a bit. Which in the end was why I applied. Sure rping/rpbing can be a good time but actually reading the opinions of others is why I am here.

So may I ask what is the rule for starting discussion? Say for instance I had something I would like to discuss should I wait to see if more people answer Sin's questions or just go ahead and post it?

About the questionnaire: you can be attracted to both. But, if you feel inclined to one area or the other, please state it. Later, that might be worked out, but so far my lips will be sealed.

Noah, posting a question for discussion can be done at any time. At times, two or three questions float around, ready to be answered. You may wish to wait a bit before placing the question around, but there is no need. There is no restriction, other than oneself.

And, the discussions here do not run very long unless the discussion heats up, where it becomes then suitable for Intellectual Discussion. With a developed discussion, the transition from semi-private to public becomes smoother.

Maybe later I might take one of the former discussions and place it over ID. You know, to spice things up? Will look at the most interesting one, a trial at most. But not today, and perhaps not this week.

Also, RPB post. Hope ya enjoy.

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Originally Posted by T.G. Oskar

How, as members, do you consider is your drive in here? The discussions, or the promise of combat? You might be in an in-between, but there is something you'd probably prefer more than the other. I'll expect at least 3-4 answers before I reveal why I need that lil' questionnaire answered.

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I tend to be more interested in the discussion personally. That said though, I do feel an RP/RPB is a good bit of fun, so I wouldn't be impartial to those neither.

My drive is discussion though, and I first joined SoI as it seemed to be a place where some higher caliber discussion was held. I wasn't disappointed, and it seemed to be a place quite healthy for my mind's future development. I admit disregarding some information as it doesn't sound quite right, but I've learnt a good amount through what people have had to say.

I also noticed a distinct lack of spam for the better part. A major selling point as almost every post here reads like it was done by a neurosurgeon. I must admit to enjoying that... :lol:

I must admit, first, at being practically useless as far as spirited debate is concerned. I am a...latitudinarian and find little fault in anything outside of criticizing someone unduly. I doubt I would make a very passionate debater; although, speculative discussion is still workable despite my open-minded meekness.

I do have a happy talent for composition and I am willing to apply it as far as RP and RPBing is concerned.

I know what I am and what I am not. Truthfully, I like both speculative discussion and RPing. But I can RP AND RPB. I cannot debate.

The power to debate is something that can be applied equally well by someone who is wrong; just as it can be applied horribly by someone who happens to be right. So in justice to my own lazy habits, I cannot put forth energy into such a pointless struggle.

-Sin

It seems I'm a bit behind of discussions. I'll answer the two latest discussions....

If your personality and identity is to be completely erased from existence, are you afraid of it?
As Sinister had mentioned, it is a bittersweet feeling to me. Being who you are and growing as person, you do get used to it. But nothing lasts forever, including your existence on this planet.

Are you too confident that it won't happen to even consider your feelings?
I wouldn't say I'm confident about this. Being young at my age, I'm still trying to broaden up my horizons and explore every crack of religion and philosophy. Aside from that, it's something I really don't think about.

Are you going to heaven or hell?(presupposing the existence of both)
I'm not the most innocent and pure person but I certainly am not the most hateful and cunning person. I try to put others before I put myself. I try to be honest as I can and do things for people around me. If anything, I would hope to go to heaven and not be damned in hell for all eternity.

How are you going to deal with existing there forever?
Not sure really. I can't say what Heaven would be like. You hear that for all eternity you live in God's world in this happy, beautiful place with others around you. It sounds a bit too good to be true considering after death , but I'd be grateful seeing the people I once loved in this world and seeing what the afterlife has to offer.


Is there any other possibility you're prepared to accept?
Yes, because no one is sure where we go from leaving life itself. I'd rather have an open mind and learn about other possibilities then just sticking to one and finding out that it may be false.

Are you afraid?
I used to fear death. Just dying and leaving the people you care about is what makes death such a tragedy but as time goes on, you learn to accept it and it becomes a way of life to you. What I am afraid, is if there is nothing after death. To me, it would seem like a waste for us to be living and enduring such sorrow and pain during life. No one said that life was a basket of roses but developing close bonds with people and cherishing life itself is what makes me sad about leaving this life.

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Originally posted by T.G. Oskar
How, as members, do you consider is your drive in here? The discussions, or the promise of combat? You might be in an in-between, but there is something you'd probably prefer more than the other. I'll expect at least 3-4 answers before I reveal why I need that lil' questionnaire answered.

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Interesting topic to post, Oskar. My drive on here is learning about others and what their beliefs are on about life, death, good and evil. I joined the club to expand my mind and gain further insight on such things. I know I don't have the most knowledge on things but I certainly am willing to learn and gain and grow as a person from this club
and it's discussions.

Well, a promise is a promise:

Not so long ago, I told you guys that I wanted to know what drove you into the club, right? And I promised I'd reveal something after a few people responded.

Well, here it is...

Long time ago, I was to work with a series of rankings for the club. I wanted to see the overall activity before thinking about rankings. Hence, given the overall activity, I decided to make some considerations on the matter.

First, Silver and Sinister. Given how their activity has grown considerately, and how much they have shown loyalty. I have decided to grant them the positions as Co-Captains. They are now almost as equally powerful in the hierarchical scale as me, but only for a little.

Then, the rest will receive rankings as according:

Those who decided to join out of the promise of combat, will be given the rankings of "Knights".

Those who decided to join out of the promise of discussion, will be given the rankings of "Scholars".

And those who decided to join out of the promise of both combat and discussion, will be given the rankings of "Mages"

Later, I might make some alterations and editings to both this post and the first one, so be ready for the official announcement. However, here is how it seems to be.

Me - Knight (although I can easily be a mage, I joined way back just for the urge to fight)
Silver - Scholar (but he might be very well a mage, or a knight)
Sinis - Knight
Pablo - Scholar (as I perceive her, but she lurks more than often)
Noah - Mage (he entered because of discussion, but he's definitely into the combat as well)
Fishie - Scholar (how could I forgot? He was the reason why I made this post!!!)
Ann - Lurker (yeah, lurker. We discussed that
Aerif - Lurker (for some reason, I forgot to add. Maybe the lack of posting?)

If anyone seeks to change or reconsider their position, please speak or forever hold your peace. The rankings will have a hierarchical position, which will be depending on the activity of the person.

There, that was all. Now, give it a bit more of activity and we may speak of the RP as proper.

Thank you, Oskar. That was very generous. I shall try and help in any way that I can.

Also, I'd like to take this opportunity to reiterate my challenge. I will RPB anyone. It's a plus if it's a member of this club, but I will RPB anyone at all.

Need something to do.

-Sin

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Originally Posted by T.G. Oskar

Me - Knight (although I can easily be a mage, I joined way back just for the urge to fight)
Silver - Knight
Sinis - Scholar
Pablo - Scholar (as I perceive her, but she lurks more than often)
Noah - Mage (he entered because of discussion, but he's definitely into the combat as well)
Ann - Lurker (yeah, lurker. We discussed that)

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Wouldn't I be more of a scholar? I believe that while I said I wouldn't mind an RPB, my main reason for being in the SoI was the discussion topics. I'm honestly believing reading the posts back that Sinister seems more enthusiastic towards RPBs than I do. Either way is fine though, a Knight does sound a good deal cooler to me than a Scholar. :lol:

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Originally Posted by T.G. Oskar

Do you like to help others with their lives? Do you abhor injustice, in one way or another, and seek to resolve such?

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Yeah, I do like to help other people out. Not for what they give back in return, but due to the mere nicety of it, and I don't particularly like seeing someone all upset and things. It just isn't nice to see for me, I just get this sudden urge to do something about, whether I can or not. In most cases, yeah, I try. :lol:

Of course I abhor injustice. Unlike most I know would, I'm not gonna sit by and laugh at someone accidentally dropping all of their items on the ground. Heck, racist acts are even worse to me, and those, I definitely help others out on, despite the fact I'm the one usually being attacked. Mm, and are you really gonna continue teasing someone for an incident that happened years ago that isn't really much a great deal anymore. How about punching the lights out of someone all because they apparently look 'ugly'. Sorry, but such things that are just sick and cruel don't really entertain me. I'd definitely do something about it if I could. :ohno:

That being said, that is indeed me asking to join. ^^

I can vouch for Jules. He's somewhat peaceful and does whatever he can to fight racism. Quite frankly he makes me look almost evil compared.
I can back that up by saying it's been consistent for like the past year I've known him over MSN.
Cheers.

Exactement. OB is part of a shining tribe of my MSN friends that are trustworthy, witty and fun. I, too, vouch for him. He'd make an excellent member.

-Sin

:LOL: What about my rank? Do I get classified as a "ghost" then? Oh, how about "Headless Horseman" then? :D

Alright, I make this real quick. Not much to do, anyways, and I wanna sleep soundly:

First, I fixed the mistakes done last time. You can see that almost everybody sans Zeromune is there, and with the fixed and/or respective ranks. Those are the ranks that should correspond given the circumstances. I was sleepy and trying to post that really fast, so I made two crazy mistakes.

Yeah, I can be half-asleep and people don't notice. This was when we made the big chat, remember?

Also, made the screening for Zeromune and he reads clean. Also, the pre-screening from the chat also reads clean. I still doubt he has 12...13...what he claimed to have (if he does, he's insanely mature and that gives it enough reason, if not...it's one heck of a joke, and I liked it :) )

Hence, I allow it. Of course, that is quite irrelevant given that Sinis and Silver pre-approved him, so I had no reason to say no. You can help with the screening as well, co-captains. It would take a serious accusation to deny, or something that will be interpreted as really wrong or against the spirit of the club. And, so far, no one has done that, so that is why I am perceived as lenient.

I trust your judgment guys, but it's never bad to take a check here and there. It solidifies the trust.

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On one final note, does my story should make it to Literature forum or not? I am intrigued by the idea of posting it for everyone to enjoy/bash/whatnot. If you are intrigued by this, just ask Nate or Dimi or Ann, they have a few copies.

Awight then, I be off.

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Originally Posted by T.G. Oskar

First, I fixed the mistakes done last time. You can see that almost everybody sans Zeromune is there, and with the fixed and/or respective ranks. Those are the ranks that should correspond given the circumstances. I was sleepy and trying to post that really fast, so I made two crazy mistakes.

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*Cough* Not quite *Cough*

*Cough* Aerif still member *Cough**Cough*

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Originally Posted by T.G. Oskar

On one final note, does my story should make it to Literature forum or not? I am intrigued by the idea of posting it for everyone to enjoy/bash/whatnot. If you are intrigued by this, just ask Nate or Dimi or Ann, they have a few copies.

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Yes. Yes it should. It'd rank among the better literature I'd imagine. :lol:
Seriously dude, look at the existing literature. it'd rate quite highly, and I very much doubt there'd be much if any bashing.

Thanks for the concern, Nate. Also, I kept my word to Dim, that I would eventually post the chapter. Hope it gets good reviews!! It's a bit different from the RTF version, given some advice to which I decided to follow.

Also, I fixed Aerif's trouble. The one I believe would still be lacking a rank is Zero, but that will happen once he has proven himself.

During the week, I'll be perhaps working on the information about the ranking, and also perhaps working on a few more of the chapters. If you want to get the chapters before I post them, you can ask me via MSN and I'll be glad to comply.

Which reminds me, I got a few things on the air. Noah, I'll reply to that move, which is so complex I still think how to work around it. But that move you did, it was really good. Hiding the sigil with the wing.

And, I have to keep working with the story. I thought I would have the time now to work a nice chapter and also to freely work with the story, but I got distracted by certain other works I got.

Sorry for the complexity Oskar, I'm planing to get my post in tonight sometime. I probably would've had it done sooner, but recently I got hooked on Bleach so I've been watching it quite a bit.

If I may introduce a topic of discussion, I was curious as to how all you deal with the bane of any altruist. How do you deal with ones ego when it submerges from the depths of your life?

How is the story coming along by the way?

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Originally Posted by Atma-Noah

If I may introduce a topic of discussion, I was curious as to how all you deal with the bane of any altruist. How do you deal with ones ego when it submerges from the depths of your life?

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Egos, eh?

If by that you refer to my own, then I'll answer with this...
I think having a big ego is a weakness. If you think that highly of yourself you dismiss your own flaws, you've weakened yourself in that you'll overestimate yourself in some way sooner or later. I see myself as being as flawed as any other. And through that knowledge, there's a strength of sorts.

If you mean the egos some others have...
Well me being me, I'll most likely find them insanely funny and probably end up laughing at them. In all honesty those with big egos tend to be fools and they can do two things most often. Make you laugh, or just plain irritate you. Often it's harmless, sometimes it seems that the best thing to do is try to help them out a bit. In that case, all a guy needs to do is make a judgement call. Is it really worth getting involved with?

Silly me, hadn't taken to discussion...

Ahem...

I do try to submit my ego. I seek to be humble most of the time, seeking to live rather simply than seeking to boast. Usually, I deal with ego in the opposite way; unfortunately, it's not the best way. If the bane of humility is ego, then the extreme opposite of ego (the manifestation of Pride), would be lack of self-esteem, right? And I often seem to lack self-esteem, which I must say is my fault.

Fortunately, being bumbly humble helps a bit with people of great ego. All the better I can do is to ignore people with huge egos. After all, eventually they'll fall, and fall very harshly.

Fellow Seekers, I recently learned some news that is going to affect this club forever. I don't know if any of you know about it or not already but either or here it is. Quoted from the Andro himself.

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4. Factions will no longer be tolerated nor allowed to be made. -NEW-

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The others will cease to exist once their activity ceases, Loco. I'm not going to forcibly close down the existing clubs. However, they are only living on their own activity at this point. I will be closing them when they reach the inactivity date and not allowing anymore clubs of that type to be opened. I will especially not allow a new TFF Dark Side of any form. I and others have bent the rules too much for them and I'm not going to allow that anymore.

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I found this in the new club discussion thread that was created today. So what are your thoughts knowing if this club ever becomes inactive it is the end? We are the last light that will ever burn in the TFF clubs. In fact faction wise The Masters, and SoI are the only two remaining.

Sadly, it seemed inevitable since the closure of the BoD that Andro would make movements to cease the allowance of the other factions. And since the chances of the thread staying active enough are incredibly slim, so sadly we probably will be closed.

But I can't say I disagree with where Andro is coming from with that point, the war between the BoD and TM caused several months of tension and then at the end the BoD caused hassle to practically the whole forum with all those stupid 'goodbye' threads. And all other inactive threads are supposed to be deleted, so it's only right in a way.

Well, do note this point:

The BoD, as well as the other factions, promoted heavily the idea of RP Battle rather than RP as it usually is. While the idea of all factions was to promote RP and RPB equally, the truth is all of us have promoted heavily RPB most of the time.

And, we cannot claim faction had paved the way to renewed RPB, or that the reason there's still some interest in RPB was because of our interaction, because of our meddling. The Masters vs. BoD was a wonderful demonstration of quality writing, I will admit, despite the end troubles.

Which matters little since, I know I heard it once, Andro prefers RP to RPB. And RP forum still dwindles.

Also, the issue with the factions was more inclined to the sudden proliferation of these bands (remember, at a moment we had SoI as the GS, BoD, Masters, Phoenix Knights and one other band, and all of us were challenging each other out), and also to the nature of a certain faction, which honestly believed they ruled the forum (I still await the moment where the forum would collapse because of the lack of BoD. It has gone some temp separations, but TFF is like a drug)

All we need to prove Andro is that we can make things work as factions. After all, aside from the national clubs, besides one or two more, the factions are the most active clubs in a long-time basis. Denying factions eventually will cripple the Club section, and may not reunite good enough minds and a common theme to give some spice to the RPB section. My opinion, which is not the tendency of the rest to believe, but that some circumstances have led me to believe. So, if we aid the RP/RPB sections with some quality writing, and act a bit humble altogether, perhaps we can prove him there's no problem with factions. Again, I do believe it was mostly the BoD's fault this ruling got into effect, since they were the bad boys of the forum.

Point into consideration is how, indirectly, we have aided a bit the area of Intellectual Discussion. Not making much discussions, but stating very interesting points in some of them. And all attempting to remain within a certain degree of respect.

Now, do remember we have our own inner discussion, and that we can keep the flame alive by participating. Do place that under consideration: the future of the ruling, and/or the club, depends on you guys (I cannot do this on my own, ya know...) If the bad boy attitude caused all this trouble, the good guy attitude may aid in repairing all of this.

Still, eventually we would like to have the little war with the Masters, with the specific rule of no club extermination. This was the drop that mostly caused all of this trouble (and the harassing and the attacks) Try to achieve that degree of quality writing this forum could very well use, giving great ideas to the forum to share (a common setting, a thread of events that could spark activity in the RP/RPB forums) That, of course, will be when there's a good moment (aka, trying to get you guys into activity)

That might also make the idea of social groups a bit useless (one of the whole points is to make a social SoI club once that is active, when will it be is still unknown but surely it *should* be active soon), IMO once again.

So, why instead of lamenting that ruling, we work to fix that? Try to show the good side of factions, trying to get rid off the bad rep (I do believe the ruling is mostly bad rep, perhaps some good rep may aid). Heck, some extra activity wouldn't be nice...

Are we even the type of faction Andromeda refers to? Since the rebirth of our club, we've mostly just discussed things and had club RPBs. And by club RPBs I mean internal ones with only us.

The main thing we seem to do is discuss philosophy and the like, and that's the main reason I'm here. It's a good place for it. :cool:

Well I'm not that good at RPs or RPBs but I promise to be one of the very bests. Oh and your discussions are very intresting. Heres my application to join your club.

I consider myself a Altuist because I give much respect to everyone and I stand up for my friends. I hate people who are racist. I'm crstian and I used to go to church every sunday untille my grandma died. I don't judge peopl;e by what they look like but more of how they act and not even that I get to know them first. Well thats my application hope its good enough.

After the stellar performance by Draco, I dont know if my application will be all that grand, but I can do nothing but try.

What makes me an Altruist

Well I can easily say I put peoples feeling before mine.. Majority of the time anyway. I cannot tolerate discrimination against many things, and I will go out of my way to stop them.
I try to do more then bad, but sometimes you have to bad in order to good.. If you get what I mean.

I haven't really Rp or RPb'd before, but I am trying to start one.

I don't really know what else I can say. So yeah.

Sean.

I want to join your club because I value other opinions and am willing to hear anything out.

I think I am a altruist because I place alot of trust in my friends. And they place alot of trust in me. Friendship means the world to me, and I wouldn't know what I would do without my friends.

I'm not one to judge someone on what they look like, I listen to anybodies problem and try to help them come up with a solution. Today's society is formed on racist opinions and many negative comments towards sexuality. I do not care for social opinions on a matter, I care for what is your opinion on the matter which is in question.

Be you Gay, Straight, Bi, White, Black it doesn't matter. I will not judge you on anything related to those subjects. I'll judge you on the way you act towards me and your true feelings deep inside you.

I have been classed as "weird" sometimes. People say "Why are you hanging out with her or him." As I stated before, I don't care for others social opinions, its how I feel about that person makes me who I am today.

I'm the kinda person you can love, or you can hate with a fiery passion.

And thats why I think I am a altruist. (I think I rambled a bit too much.)