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    Totally agree loner-kid, organized religion is not my thing. I get really confused about some of their beliefs. Im a lesbian and well i get ALOT of shit for it from all these religious people saying im going to hell and all that, i dont get where in the bible it says that gays are going to hell, the only thing in the bible that they might get that from is where it says -there are two woman in a bed, one will live one will die. and there are two men in a field one will live one will die. (not exact words so dont quote me) in the time that this was written sisters slept in the same bed and men farmed. i dont get how that means gay people are going to hell. also doesnt it say to forgive. and what i wonder is why if god hates gays so much did he make gay people???????

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    Organized religion is really only bad when it gets too big, as is the case of most "Christianity" today in the world. Giant mega churches, with lying preachers and priest who want your money and everything you own. I always refer back to the story of Paul and Simon the sorcerer in the book of Acts, when Simon asked Paul if he could have his secret for religion, in exchange for huge stashes of money, in which Paul tells him (free translation) you and your money can go to Hell. That's what I'd tell most Christians here.

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    I'm an atheist, believing in no deities. I believe that while people do many good things in the name of religion, they also do many bad things in the name of it, often becoming hypocritical and sometimes outright liars about what their sacred texts/teachings really are saying. I believe people can do the right thing regardless of what religion they are, and shouldn't use it as an excuse to feel superior or do horrible things while only justifying it to themselves. In the end I feel people have every right to believe what they want as long as they are informed about the true shortcomings of the fairy tales they believe in.

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    I'm personally athiest. ALot of people say you just inherit religion frm your parents. Not me. I was raised Christian, even went to a Christian elementary school. I was always one of those kids who'd respond to anything you told me with, "Why?" This is how it all began...

    I want through the firs several years of my life believing without question. Then I became obsessed with learning how and why everything happened. I was kicked out of a Christian Academy in 1st grade, for constantly questioning the bible, weighing it against fact. Apparently they didn't like that, because not only did they never answer my questions, but they kicked me out. After this I was left questioning, why? Did God just not tell them the answers to my questions? Did the answer not exist? I couldn't believe that was it, or they could've just said they didn't know. Then it hit me, they didn't like the fact that my questions made other kids ask questions. This is when I was certain the answers to my questions did not exist. At least not answers involving a God. this is when I first looked toscience for real answers.

    Unlike the religion to which I once held on to, science actually had answers for everything. And for those that weren't answered completely, they said so, and continued looking for the answer, rather than just accepting everything without question.

    As I continued to develop, I only came up with more and more questions that made religion seem like nothing more than a tory full of plotholes. Like...
    • If God was a benevelont being that loves all his children, why did he only bother to appear to less than a third of them to make his existance know, thus damning the rest of the planet to eternal hellfire?
    • God, being omniscient would obviously know that only teaching half of the world of his existance would leave the rest to come up with their own dieties to believe in, which would inevitably cause conflict. He lvoes us so much, he let us all murder each other because he didn't feel like talking to the rest of the world? God sounds like an ass if you ask me.
    • Why is it that miracles stopped happening the very instant the camera was invented?
    • Why were people supposedly "appointed by god" basically con artists ripping people off in the middle ages? Y'know, that Holy guy with the big hat, he was selling tickets to heaven when the church was running low on cash.
    • If the world was created in 7 days, and man existed on the 7th, why is it science has proven that dinosaurs existed millions of years before the first man?
    • Why has religion persecuted so many scientists who dared to question "why", only to later agree with them? Like the whole Geocentric vs. Heliocentric thing, (though both turned out to be wrong) or the world being flat. At one point in time, you were a heretic if you suggested that the earth orbitted the sun and that the world was round. Now you're a dumbass if you suggest anything else.
    While religion came up with some ridiculous story to cover up for any inconsistancy a person could find, science actually goes and answers questions when raised. By this point in my life, I was completely athiest, no turning back.

    Another thing I began to consider after that, was the time that religion began. And it explained perfectly well why people were so willing to accept it without question. Because at the time, there was no science. Nobody else could tell you why anything happened. So people eagerly accepted any information someone could offer that provided an answer to their questions. Think of it this way, had religion not existed before today, and we still knew everything we did about science, and I suggested to everyone that in spite of what we already know, the universe was ACTAULLY created by an invisible super-being that nobody can see in 7 days, and this super-being only talks to me in my head, and that I met his son, born of a woman who never in her life had sex, and that all we had to do is follow whatever he said to me, and we'd live forever in a utopia after we died... do you think the world would see the light, or lock me in a padded room and throw away the key? I can't speak for you guys, but I'm betting on the latter.

    Thoguh I have mainly bashed on Christianity here, it's only because that's the religion that I grew away from, I have nothing against Christians, people have a right to believe whatever they please. I apologize if anybody has been offended by this.
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    Re: Religions - Your Opinion

    I am a Christian. I do not believe in judging others or criticizing others on their personal belief, because its personal. Nothing to do with me. I believe there has to be a God or a Supreme being, what ever you wish to call him or her is your business. In science its is known that Nothing can come from nothing, meaning for the universe to exist, someone or something had to set everything in motion. If there was nothing in the beginning, then nothing is all we get. There had to be a beginning for us to even be here, so what existed before the thing we call time? Who started the clock ticking? If not a man, then something superior had to. At least, that is my opinion. Just thought I'd drop in my idea, hope everyone has a great day!

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    I often considered that as well. uBut in the end, that believe changes nothing, that creator would've had to be there from the beginning to, no matter how you slice it, something had to come from nothing. Least that's the way I see it, no disrespect.
    For Our Lord Sheogorath, without Whom all Thought would be linear and all Feeling would be fleeting. Blessed are the Madmen, for they hold the keys to secret knowledge. Blessed are the Phobic, always wary of that which would do them harm. Blessed are the Obsessed, for their courses are clear. Blessed are the Addicts, may they quench the thirst that never ebbs. Blessed are the Murderous, for they have found beauty in the grotesque. Blessed are the Firelovers, for their hearts are always warm. Blessed are the Artists, for in their hands the impossible is made real. Blessed are the Musicians, for in their ears they hear the music of the soul. Blessed are the Sleepless, as they bask in wakeful dreaming. Blessed are the Paranoid, ever-watchful for our enemies. Blessed are the Visionaries, for their eyes see what might be. Blessed are the Painlovers, for in their suffering, we grow stronger. Blessed is the Madgod, who tricks us when we are foolish, punishes us when we are wrong, tortures us when we are unmindful, and loves us in our imperfection.





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    Maybe, but we judge creation as we see it, how does a deity see it? Does time even flow for a God? We cannot even know how long the universe has been around, so time must be created thing. I better stop, I think I'm confusing myself.

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    That's another reason I'm not religious, believers can't even say for sure what a God IS, let alone who it is, or what it does. But either way, there are really only two options for the beginning. Something was always there, or something came from nothing. We don't really KNOW whether that something was a diety, or matter. However, I gotta say I'd put my money on matter, since we actually KNOW that exists.
    For Our Lord Sheogorath, without Whom all Thought would be linear and all Feeling would be fleeting. Blessed are the Madmen, for they hold the keys to secret knowledge. Blessed are the Phobic, always wary of that which would do them harm. Blessed are the Obsessed, for their courses are clear. Blessed are the Addicts, may they quench the thirst that never ebbs. Blessed are the Murderous, for they have found beauty in the grotesque. Blessed are the Firelovers, for their hearts are always warm. Blessed are the Artists, for in their hands the impossible is made real. Blessed are the Musicians, for in their ears they hear the music of the soul. Blessed are the Sleepless, as they bask in wakeful dreaming. Blessed are the Paranoid, ever-watchful for our enemies. Blessed are the Visionaries, for their eyes see what might be. Blessed are the Painlovers, for in their suffering, we grow stronger. Blessed is the Madgod, who tricks us when we are foolish, punishes us when we are wrong, tortures us when we are unmindful, and loves us in our imperfection.





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    I can for certainty that there IS a God, for God is the only one that wasn't created. Matter, to even BE matter, had to be created. There was a beginning, and God set that beginning in motion. Otherwise, there would be nothing here, or anywhere. But again, that is my opinion. In my eyes, the only conclusion is that there has to be God, no other option makes sense.

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    Re: Religions - Your Opinion

    Quote Originally Posted by KainsBro View Post
    In science its is known that Nothing can come from nothing, meaning for the universe to exist, someone or something had to set everything in motion.
    Not really. An unbiased scientific approach would think that maybe it did come from nothing, maybe it did from something. Until the technology exists that allows us to make a credible theory (if it ever does) and we test it extensively, how could we ever know?

    I'm a Christian myself, but I see i as being a matter of faith. Some men of science strongly believe things happened another way without the neccesary evidence, and they too are relying on faith, but an unbiased man of science would admit that he doesn't know how things came to be and would look to discovering this using scientific techniques.

    HeartlessAngel's view, while opposite of my own is one I can strongly respect, because he more or less based it on what is actually known to him rather than requiring faith. I might not think some of the questions he asked himself are that useful (some can be answered in some way), but the main part is fairly solid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Silver View Post
    HeartlessAngel's view, while opposite of my own is one I can strongly respect, because he more or less based it on what is actually known to him rather than requiring faith.
    That's pretty much why I believe what I believe. I can't stand trusting in something I can't test lol. Until someone shows me a video recording of the beginning of time, I accept no theory as fact. Not even my own.
    For Our Lord Sheogorath, without Whom all Thought would be linear and all Feeling would be fleeting. Blessed are the Madmen, for they hold the keys to secret knowledge. Blessed are the Phobic, always wary of that which would do them harm. Blessed are the Obsessed, for their courses are clear. Blessed are the Addicts, may they quench the thirst that never ebbs. Blessed are the Murderous, for they have found beauty in the grotesque. Blessed are the Firelovers, for their hearts are always warm. Blessed are the Artists, for in their hands the impossible is made real. Blessed are the Musicians, for in their ears they hear the music of the soul. Blessed are the Sleepless, as they bask in wakeful dreaming. Blessed are the Paranoid, ever-watchful for our enemies. Blessed are the Visionaries, for their eyes see what might be. Blessed are the Painlovers, for in their suffering, we grow stronger. Blessed is the Madgod, who tricks us when we are foolish, punishes us when we are wrong, tortures us when we are unmindful, and loves us in our imperfection.





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