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    Synthesized Ascension Lesbians kicked out of game Zardoch's Avatar
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    I'm sorry, but I'm going to have to step outside of the box here for a minute because I think I'm seeing some of you take this way out of context.

    Quote Originally Posted by Silver View Post
    Chances are people wouldn't have complained. Because it's perceived by the better part of society as being 'normal'. A few conservatives may hold something against it, but it's often treated quite differently. But then I'm just seeing things from mine and Phantom's world. The real world.
    That's the exact answer Sasquatch was suspecting. Of course, almost no one would have complained if there had been a heterosexual couple kissing, but that's not the point he's making.

    Quote Originally Posted by Silver View Post
    Seriously, if you haven't seen straight couples full going for it at sports games, you haven't been to many good sports games.
    And I do believe I'm right you know. There are a lot of preconceived ideas of right and wrong people hold. There's a ton of reasons. They may have been raised with those views and values without questioning them, they could be a homophobe...
    Yet just because someone doesn't share the politically correct or "sympathetic" views for homosexuality, that instantly makes them a homophobe? There is a clear difference between someone who dislikes homosexuality and someone who fears it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Silver View Post
    Comparing homosexuality to murder? Because they're heaps alike in their negative effects, right? *nudges* *wink wink*
    Don't get me started on the few communities who seem to act like they think like that. Look at those guys with the white pointy hoods and the burning crosses. They love being discriminatory I hear, and don't even always realise they're doing it.
    I didn't see that comparison. It looked like he was pointing out that people use the excuse, "Well, so and so did it/got away with it, so why shouldn't I?", and that what heterosexuals have done hasn't been completely wrong here. This is relevant to what the two women were doing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Silver View Post
    And what are the issues involved with homosexuality? As far as I've seen anything brought up is more than easily dismissed. I'd say those who are against it with no reasons are more than likely homophobes. Even if they can't admit it.
    Yes, those with no reason to dislike homosexuality are homophobic, but that involves fear. If one does not fear homosexuality, yet does not agree with it, makes their stance less bias. It's just ridiculous that some people scream homophobe at some people just because they are against it, similar to a group of anti-religious atheist calling someone who doesn't believe what is "logical" an instant "creationist."

    Quote Originally Posted by Silver View Post
    As for saying the kiss wasn't a peck, read V-Translanka's first post. I think you'll be somewhat unpleasantly surprised.
    I looked over it and he did not say whether or not it was a peck. His exact words were "gently kissing" and from that point of view, I can easily presume it wasn't just a mere peck. I honestly don't think people would immediately get upset over a girl giving a peck to another girl, like a daughter pecking her mother on the cheek or the lips when greeting one another or leaving. No, it appeared to me that they were kissing more than just a peck and other people, whether they were "redneck, flag waving, conservatives" complaining, found it inappropriate. There is nothing wrong with being disturbed by such a thing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Silver View Post
    And there's nothing to say they would have been asked to leave. And chances are there were straight couples doing more than cheek pecking. You've been to games, right?
    This is sort of avoiding his point, my friend. Whether or not it was a homosexual OR hetereosexual couple doing this, if they were asked to leave then it was the owner's right to ask them. Honestly, I can imagine the people who complained had children with them and as most parents have a certain mindset, it's understandable they'd want these two ladies to leave. People are there to watch a baseball game, not watch two people going at it. It's similar to hearing retarded teenagers talking and yelling during a movie and ruining the overall experience.

    Now, as for myself I think it's hard to tell what exactly happened because FF Freak gave such a vague description of what happened. Either way, if there were two people "gently kissing" or making out in front of me while I'm at a game, I would like them to knock it off when trying to concentrate on what's happening on the field. Even if it is a "common thing" at games, that doesn't make it right, which was the exact point Sasquatch made earlier explaining that it doesn't make it right because it's a "common occurrence."

    The only problem here is how controversial it is to talk about. One side goes against it and they're branded homophobic. Another side defends it and they always seem to overreact to anyone that doesn't share their own views and vice versa. It's like environmentalist bitching about ONE animal within a rain forest that is scheduled to be cut down, forgetting the fact that the animal is being transported to a safe location.

    Have a nice day.
    Last edited by Zardoch; 06-12-2008 at 07:34 AM.

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