Lesbians kicked out of game

[Phantom]

Alright, let's get down to this.

Two people were kicked out of a baseball game for kissing.

Would anybody have a problem with this? With this amount of information presented, would this be a big deal? Two people were in public doing something slightly indecent and were asked to leave because of it.

In addition, this was more than likely a private game. As in, not paid for by the state of Washington. As such, they had every right to ask people to leave for whatever reason they wanted. Hell, if I wanted to, I could start a whites-only restaurant. Or start a baseball league that I only let straight white kids -- or even straight, white, blonde-haired, blue-eyed kids -- play in. I could even start a college just for white people. Because as a private, non-public funded organization, I reserve the right to refuse service for any reason.

Even so. If this was a straight couple that was kicked out, nobody would give a damn. Why does everybody take offense when something happens to a minority that probably should have happened, and would have happened had they been different people?

How can a baseball game be private? I can see a private section for important people, like the president, or some iconic figurehead, but overall this is a public baseball game, open to EVERYONE. And yes Sassy this is a big deal, the simple fact being that 2 lesbian women were only kissing for God's sake and got kicked out of the game for that stupid little reason. I can see if they were getting undressed and having sex and they were asked to leave, but for kissing? Come on now.

That's against our rights as Americans, we have the freedom to kiss our partners in public places there's nothing wrong with that. I mean I've been to a football game once and I've seen some nasty shit that heteosexual couples do in public and trust me they weren't kissing. I've rode the damn bus tons of times and seen some women sitting on top of guys ****'s while kids were on there. I mean come on, get real, Kissing is nothing, compared to what heterosexuals have done in public places.

[Sasquatch]

How can a baseball game be private? I can see a private section for important people, like the president, or some iconic figurehead, but overall this is a public baseball game, open to EVERYONE.

Everyone who buys a ticket, everyone who is allowed in. But it's a private company, a private organization. Just like I can kick you out of my house, or my restaurant, or my baseball field, for whatever reason, Safeco can kick you out of their field for whatever reason. It's their field. It's not your field. It's not a public field. It's their field.

And yes Sassy this is a big deal, the simple fact being that 2 lesbian women were only kissing for God's sake and got kicked out of the game for that stupid little reason.

Two people were doing something indecent and were asked to leave. Would you be bitching if two heterosexual people were kissing and asked to leave?

That's against our rights as Americans, we have the freedom to kiss our partners in public places there's nothing wrong with that.

Actually, there are laws against acts of indecency, depending on the extent. And that's in public places -- private places (like baseball fields owned by private companies) can do whatever the hell they want. They can be sued, boycotted, etc., but since they're not a public (government, tax-payer funded) organization, the government cannot tell them who they must allow, who they can't allow, etc. Like I said, I can create a restaurant that only serves straight white people, if I want. Just like you can start a restaurant that only serves homosexuals.

I mean I've been to a football game once and I've seen some nasty shit that heteosexual couples do in public and trust me they weren't kissing. I've rode the damn bus tons of times and seen some women sitting on top of guys ****'s while kids were on there. I mean come on, get real, Kissing is nothing, compared to what heterosexuals have done in public places.

And that makes it right? Some people have done things they shouldn't and have gotten away with it. Don't bitch when some people do things they shouldn't and don't get away with it. And by the way, we're not talking about under the bleachers at high school football games and in the back of the bus to school, we're talking about the real world.

So, I ask again: Would it raise this much attention if the same situation happened with two straight people?

[Phantom]

Everyone who buys a ticket, everyone who is allowed in. But it's a private company, a private organization. Just like I can kick you out of my house, or my restaurant, or my baseball field, for whatever reason, Safeco can kick you out of their field for whatever reason. It's their field. It's not your field. It's not a public field. It's their field.Two people were doing something indecent and were asked to leave. Would you be bitching if two heterosexual people were kissing and asked to leave?Actually, there are laws against acts of indecency, depending on the extent. And that's in public places -- private places (like baseball fields owned by private companies) can do whatever the hell they want. They can be sued, boycotted, etc., but since they're not a public (government, tax-payer funded) organization, the government cannot tell them who they must allow, who they can't allow, etc. Like I said, I can create a restaurant that only serves straight white people, if I want. Just like you can start a restaurant that only serves homosexuals.And that makes it right? Some people have done things they shouldn't and have gotten away with it. Don't bitch when some people do things they shouldn't and don't get away with it. And by the way, we're not talking about under the bleachers at high school football games and in the back of the bus to school, we're talking about the real world.

So, I ask again: Would it raise this much attention if the same situation happened with two straight people?

Actually dude I know what the real world is, in fact I live in it everyday, having to deal with bullshitty people like yourself. Second of all I don't bitch when striaght couples kiss and shit in public because its really none of my business, just like it was not that mother's business, she was probarly the only one in that stadium to bitch about something that was really nothing at all. And guess what Sas? I'm not a heterophobe, I know that there are some decent heterosexuals out here in the world, some are good people, some are my friends, and you know? I would open a restaurant that serves all kinds of people, regardless, because just opening a restaurant that serves only one kind of person isn't very nice to all the good people out there.



It would be just like it was back in the day when blacks weren't allowed in the best restaurants. They should be allowed to any place they want. I wouldn't care if anyone kissed in my restuarant, they should be allowed to, its their right. You want to live in the 1950's? That's your choice pal, but I live in the present, the "real world". It probarly wouldn't surprize me if the woman didn't report a Striaght couple kissing, but to "auto-target" two lesbians just for kissing and request them to be kicked out is just nothing more then discrimation.

[Sasquatch]

Actually dude I know what the real world is, in fact I live in it everyday, having to deal with bullshitty people like yourself.

Now now, kid. Let's not get offensive.

Second of all I don't bitch when striaght couples kiss and shit in public because its really none of my business, just like it was not that mother's business, she was probarly the only one in that stadium to bitch about something that was really nothing at all.

Like the example I mentioned before, somebody masturbating in public -- or a couple having sex, or somebody being raped -- is none of your business either. If it went on long enough for quite a few people to notice and be offended enough to complain about it, it wasn't just a quick peck. They were doing something indecent and were told to leave because of it. Period.

I would open a restaurant that serves all kinds of people, regardless, because just opening a restaurant that serves only one kind of person isn't very nice to all the good people out there.

Good for you. But you wouldn't have to serve all people -- because you own the business, you can control who you allow in and who you don't.

I'll make the point again that two people were doing something indecent and were asked to leave because of it. It's that simple.

And I'll ask again. If a heterosexual couple was doing something indecent -- even "just kissing", as this couple is rumored to have been doing -- and was asked to leave a private business, would many people complain? Would there be a thread about how their "rights" had been "violated"?

[Furore]

Now now, kid. Let's not get offensive.

Like the example I mentioned before, somebody masturbating in public -- or a couple having sex, or somebody being raped -- is none of your business either. If it went on long enough for quite a few people to notice and be offended enough to complain about it, it wasn't just a quick peck. They were doing something indecent and were told to leave because of it. Period.

Phantom's getting offensive? I didn't see that anywhere.
Are you really that uptight about a kiss? Seriously, who really gives a damn about trivial things like that in this day and age? Masturbating, sex and rape are far different from kissing. Rape is both completely illegal and depraved in that one person has no say in the matter. Masturbation and sex are completely illegal everywhere in public. And for good reason. Not only is it horrible on some people's eyes BUT it could also be providing an example of that behaviour to those not ready for it. And who said it wasn't just a quick peck?
Just as it may have been a long passionate kiss, it may also have been a quick peck.

Seriously though, getting kicked out of a place for just a kiss doesn't often happen. And if people are indeed being targeted due to their sexual orientation as this thread's subject matter would indicate then it is discrimination, plain and simple. If straight people also get kicked out of the same place for kissing, then the quoted radio segment was most likely biased in some way and this thread is sort of pointless.

Good for you. But you wouldn't have to serve all people -- because you own the business, you can control who you allow in and who you don't.

You don't have anti-discrimination laws and the like? I know over here you have to have a reason for kicking someone out. It's often related to them using offensive behaviour which you can often bait them into, but you still need something done first.

I'll make the point again that two people were doing something indecent and were asked to leave because of it. It's that simple.

And I'll mention again that if the same thing doesn't apply to people of all sexual orientations, then it's clearly discrimination. Just because something is legal may not make it right, or just for that matter.

And I'll ask again. If a heterosexual couple was doing something indecent -- even "just kissing", as this couple is rumored to have been doing -- and was asked to leave a private business, would many people complain? Would there be a thread about how their "rights" had been "violated"?

Chances are people wouldn't have complained. Because it's perceived by the better part of society as being 'normal'. A few conservatives may hold something against it, but it's often treated quite differently. But then I'm just seeing things from mine and Phantom's world. The real world.

[T.G. Oskar]

Let's not get offensive. Like the example I mentioned before, somebody masturbating in public -- or a couple having sex, or somebody being raped -- is none of your business either.

So, umm, lemme get this straight...two women kissing each other is indecent and immoral, but posting in a public forum that has 13 or 14 year-olds that may stumble here and tell them "well, if people here think two women kissing each other is not immoral, then self-pleasing and violation is a go-go too" isn't?

Careful on those analogies, boy. A kiss between two people is debatable. A blatant act of sex isn't. It's perhaps debatable to consider a bit gross, or perhaps indecent, two women kissing. But that, to open and public acts of sex? That's like saying: taking a thing from someone after you asked is good, so taking said thing before asking and then forgetting to ask is also good, hence stealing is good.

I do not debate that being a lesbian is good or bad, or that public displays of kissing in private areas full of machos and All-Americans is bad, but that...your analogies are a bit off. An ambiguous term is compared to two blatantly wrong things, at least as religion and society perceive them.

Try asking someone mentally ill (or that someone has considered mentally ill, since, to be precise) Maybe they won't answer the same way, right?

They were doing something indecent and were told to leave because of it. Period. Good for you.

I'll make the point again that two people were doing something indecent and were asked to leave because of it. It's that simple.

Ambiguous. You might believe it's indecent, but ask someone else. They'll say yes or no, but keep asking and they'll prove you something.

People. Don't. Think. Like. You.

Hence, you can't say "lesbians kissing is immoral and indecent" because you assume that is the truth. Point of view: people will think maybe yes, maybe no, maybe they'll not care, maybe they'll say "that's not indecent, but hey, they did that in a male-focused game, what a bunch of morons". Just to put some examples. So, if not everyone thinks that's indecent, why you keep stating "it's indecent, they took that out, problem solved. Period."

More like "heck, we'll get in trouble if some of these guys begin to protest, so we'll get our authorities to take them out!!"

Besides, if they were to enjoy the game, couldn't they just MOVE them to another seat? That's good for both sides, don't you think? Unless you consider baseball sacred (and you not kneeling to the baseball god is heathen on your part ) and a sport of man (hence, why would women see it?)

And I'll ask again. If a heterosexual couple was doing something indecent -- even "just kissing", as this couple is rumored to have been doing -- and was asked to leave a private business, would many people complain? Would there be a thread about how their "rights" had been "violated"?

Of course!! I mean, they have all the rights to kiss in public, and that's equally as decent. But, you aren't speaking of that they did that because they need to defend people from indecency. That, boy, is HOMOPHOBIA. They were scared that the All-American tradition becomes stained by gay people, which are first PEOPLE and then gay (mind that please). So, yeah, they got the right to ditch whomever they want (such as the people that do not worship the baseball god, or pay no tribute to it). Doing it because of something that's pretty much stupid and phobic, is what we are debating. Not their right to ditch anyone, OK?