Homophobia 'more common than racism'

[Furore]

To what? Would He assault homosexuals? Of course not. Would He pretend that they're normal, or give them special rights? Of course not.

Oh I just meant in terms of how He'd have treated a homosexual in general. I would think He would have been cool with them but would have tried to lead by example like He did with other sinners. Agape love man, agape love.

Yeah, no special rights, but I don't see the guy alienating them because he didn't think they were normal. That's very un-Christian. And yes, I know Jesus was a Jew, but you can't be more Christ-like than Christ, right?

I want my Kingdom of Heaven on Earth already, dangshabbit.

[Zargabaath]

I can't believe it, what has happend to today's Society, it was just the other day i was walking down the road. And some young kids around 16 called a couple of guys 'Benders'.

I think there should be big action taken against these 'bullys' there should be a fine.

I'm not saying bieng gay or lesbian is correct, but it's there life there choice basically and i don't think they need to be given grief and abuse over there relationships.

It really does disgust me that people are given more and more abuse regarding this.

In a free society, which we try to have in America, people are allowed to be what they want so long as they don't violate the rights of others. The Freedom of Speech is always misunderstood; it was not meant to protect the voice of the majority but of the [B]minority[B] or of those whos views are not so nice. Everyone can have their opinion, they can voice it but they can not take any action that uses force against another human. If you want a fine then you support censorship, and do not support freedom but oppression. That is what a lot of people don't understand it is not just supporting your view in the freedom of speech but those of who you disagree with as also. The Freedom of Speech is given to all, an inalienable right, not to those who are in the majority and that which is nice. People must come to terms with this.

[Clint]

What happened to "they're afraid they might be like them"?

I never even said anything remotely close to that concerning racism. I did, however, say something similar to that concerning homophobia.

I don't "try" to get on people's nerves. It's just that some people are stupid or overly sensitive, and hey, it happens.

Or perhaps you get on people's nerves because you're an intolerable asshole.

Isn't it? I never understood that, either. "There's absolutely nothing wrong with being gay, it's perfectly normal and natural to be gay, being gay is just fine ... and if you don't agree, you're a fag!"

There's no point to fear homosexuals if you're not a homosexual yourself, so yes, if somebody is a homophobic, there's a good chance that that person is unconsciously seeking homosexual desires.

Awww, you mad because somebody called you out on your childish insult?

No, not at all. Are you?

Actually, you posted it in the General forum. If you had posted it in a private message, it wouldn't be anybody else's business. But you didn't. So it's the business of anybody who reads it.

So you're saying that you want me to insult you in private? I would love to do that. Really, I would, but I'm not going to, because you suggested it, and anything you suggest has to be wrong.

You made the comment that "people fear what they don't want to be", and stated that the only people who are "homophobic" are people who are actually homosexual but don't want to be. If you're going to post something that stupid, expect others to tell you how stupid it is.

Before you continue arguing at me about this, please take abnormal psychology and actually learn about these phobias. I would highly appreciate that.

No, it's just ignorant and arrogant to assume that you can say whatever you want without having to -- or being able to -- defend it.

Well, I can. The constitutions of my countries grant me the right to free speech, but they don't say anything about having to defend my words.

Hahahahahah. Nice to see that people still think that you don't need any information at all to form an opinion -- and that if you form an ignorant opinion as such, it should be free from ridicule.

I do have information, heartthrob. I took two college psychology classes, one dealing with cognitive abnormalities, such as phobias. It's very uneducated, however, to disagree with an opinion without actually saying anything at all concerning an opposing argument. Basically, all you've done was call my opinion stupid, without stating why you think it's stupid, which, quite frankly, is extraordinarily stupid. Nice.

[Walter Sobchak]

I kind of see why I don't come here anymore. It is fascinating that, while the people that are wrong sound like they belong back in middle school, the people that are right do not rise above such a classification either.

This study is about as useful as one determining the likelihood of the sun rising. Of course homophobia is prevalent, and it does not take a sociologist to look around and see it. For the most part, racism has left the modern political theater, although it still exists in subversive elements.

Don't worry though, Phantom. Gay marriage and a full granting of rights are coming. Probably not as soon as we would like, but as the old guard dies off, it will change. Just look at the percentage of the youth that supports gay marriage. Twenty years seems likely for the more progressive states in our Union, and it will continue from there.

I fail to see what you are going to accomplish by bringing your fight to inbred mail-hating survivalists. They are on the wrong side of history, and they will lose. But like the elderly that sit around and talk fondly about the days where restaurants were as white as the dishes and the men who scoff at a woman with the audacity to work in an office, they will gradually become a curious anecdote, akin to museum pieces and carnival freak shows.

[Dan558]

Quote from me:
It seems like he does this for the reason he has stated "to see people scramble to try and fight him" or something like that.

Where did I say that? Oh, that's right -- I didn't.

Please, please show me some sort of credible evidence to back that up. I've had many a child try to argue that, and it's always fun watching them scramble to back up their own baseless -- and extremely moronic -- opinion.

Oh, That's right -- You did

God... I feel dirty even acknowledging your posts...

[Sasquatch]

I never even said anything remotely close to that concerning racism. I did, however, say something similar to that concerning homophobia.

Ah, so you think people are afraid of what they are or might be, but only when it comes to sexuality.

Or perhaps you get on people's nerves because you're an intolerable asshole.

A kid on an internet message board doesn't like me? Aw, shucks.

There's no point to fear homosexuals if you're not a homosexual yourself, so yes, if somebody is a homophobic, there's a good chance that that person is unconsciously seeking homosexual desires.

It's too bad you don't have any evidence to back this up, except your own opinion.

You also might want to look up what a phobia is, especially homophobia, to realize that it's not all about fear.

And I think the word you're looking for is subconsciously. Unless it's just dreams.

No, not at all.

Then quit bitching about it.

So you're saying that you want me to insult you in private? I would love to do that. Really, I would, but I'm not going to, because you suggested it, and anything you suggest has to be wrong.

No, kid -- I'm telling you that if you have something to say that you don't want anybody else to be involved with, keep it off of the public forums. And if you put it on public forums for everybody to see, don't whine when somebody comments on it.

Before you continue arguing at me about this, please take abnormal psychology and actually learn about these phobias. I would highly appreciate that.

I've taken Ab Psych. Next?

Well, I can. The constitutions of my countries grant me the right to free speech, but they don't say anything about having to defend my words.

Oh, you have every right to spout your ignorant opinion. Nobody's stopping you from doing that. I'm just asking for you to back it up with some credible evidence ... some facts ... something other than solely your ignorant opinion.

I do have information, heartthrob. I took two college psychology classes, one dealing with cognitive abnormalities, such as phobias.

TWO college classes? TWO??? WHOA. I'm dealing with a real genius, here. I mean, anybody who takes not one, but TWO classes in a field has got to be an expert on it!

It's very uneducated, however, to disagree with an opinion without actually saying anything at all concerning an opposing argument. Basically, all you've done was call my opinion stupid, without stating why you think it's stupid, which, quite frankly, is extraordinarily stupid. Nice.

I've been trying to get you to show me some credible evidence to back up your asinine claims. You haven't provided any, then admitted that you won't change your mind no matter how many facts you're presented with. In other words, you stated clearly that you are set in your opinion, no matter how incorrect it is, and you refuse to state why. That's the height of maturity, right there.

I fail to see what you are going to accomplish by bringing your fight to inbred mail-hating survivalists. They are on the wrong side of history, and they will lose. But like the elderly that sit around and talk fondly about the days where restaurants were as white as the dishes and the men who scoff at a woman with the audacity to work in an office, they will gradually become a curious anecdote, akin to museum pieces and carnival freak shows.

Are you trying to compare people who don't want special rights for specific minorities, or people who disagree with a particular lifestyle, to racists, sexists, and "inbred mail-hating survivalists"?

Oh, That's right -- You did

I said I've been waiting for one of the children that makes that argument to bring up something credible to defend it with. I didn't say anything about being against me. Please don't try to fabricate things I never said.

[Clint]

Ah, so you think people are afraid of what they are or might be, but only when it comes to sexuality.

Not only when it comes to sexuality. There are many more categories that this can fall under, but this topic doesn't concern those many more categories, does it?

A kid on an internet message board doesn't like me? Aw, shucks.

I don't know. I guess he doesn't. Of course, you can't be talking about me, because I actually think you're quite hilarious.

It's too bad you don't have any evidence to back this up, except your own opinion.

Everything I say is opinion oriented, so deal with it.

You also might want to look up what a phobia is, especially homophobia, to realize that it's not all about fear.

Homophobia can be a conditioned phobia. I'm not denying that. All I said was that most of the time, a person with homophobia has secret homosexual desires that he or she doesn't consciously want.

And I think the word you're looking for is subconsciously. Unless it's just dreams.

No, I mean unconscious. It has nothing to do with dreams, it has to do with your mind. Not the conscious mind, the unconscious mind. It controls the way that we think about things, why we think about things in that particular way, our movements, and stores our long-term "forgotten" memories. It also deals with desires, which in most cases come out during REM sleep. You should really look into Sigmund Freud's teachings of the unconscious.

Then quit bitching about it.

Don't be mad at me because you kept bringing it up. That's called displacement.

I've taken Ab Psych. Next?

You got recycled into the system, didn't you?

Oh, you have every right to spout your ignorant opinion. Nobody's stopping you from doing that. I'm just asking for you to back it up with some credible evidence ... some facts ... something other than solely your ignorant opinion.

And I'm asking you to officially form an opinion, so I can criticize how ignorant and stupid it is.

I'm dealing with a real genius, here. I mean, anybody who takes not one, but TWO classes in a field has got to be an expert on it!

I never said I was an expert, heartthrob, but I do know a thing or two about the subject. Thank you for the compliment anyway, though. I highly appreciate it.

I've been trying to get you to show me some credible evidence to back up your asinine claims. You haven't provided any, then admitted that you won't change your mind no matter how many facts you're presented with. In other words, you stated clearly that you are set in your opinion, no matter how incorrect it is, and you refuse to state why. That's the height of maturity, right there.

And I've been trying to get you to form an opinion of your own, but you can't do that, because you like criticizing others, but not being criticized yourself. How hypocritical of you. How about this, you form a stupid little opinion of your own, and then I'll provide research to back up my opinion? That sounds good to me, because it gives me the chance to (1) prove that I'm right, and (2) criticize you.

So if you're not going to say anything at all about the subject of the thread, then why do you waste your time posting a comment? The thread is opinionated, and yet, you fail to have an opinion. So either give an opinion, or shut up.

[Faustus]

Can't we all just hate each other in a civilized and professional manner?

[OceanEyes28]

I have a question. So no special rights for minorities. Okay, done. So assuming that no one is coming into your church and saying "MARRY ME! I have the law!" (which would be wrong, yes) and we're just talking secular business, would you be willing to step back and let people get civil unions? Or would you still get all up in their business with the Bible? Just asking.

[Cheesevixen]

Can't we all just hate each other in a civilized and professional manner?

LMAO, if only forum really ran that way. There will always be a blood bath....interesting to sit back and watch though.

I do have information, heartthrob. I took two college psychology classes

Just out of curiosity.....why do you keep calling Sassy "Heartthrob"? I didn't realize that was a put down....>>

would you be willing to step back and let people get civil unions? Or would you still get all up in their business with the Bible?

I am assuming you are talking about gay marriage. I am currently paying over 13000.00 for my own wedding...which in a way stimulates my poor governments economy. So I wouldn't mind other people being able to throw their lives away for an extremely unreasonable amount of cash. the biggest problem would be getting people to help them out. I have my mother in law, and my father. If you are estranged because of your life choice you will probably have to do it by yourself. I am not "for" gay marriage, but I tend to see it differently from more of a political stance. I am ok with civil union, but calling it marriage is as annoying as your kid sister begging for the same thing you have just because "you" have it.

[Faustus]

Well as for the actuall issue here let gays marry. Marriage is a meaningless institution anyway. We'll see just how much they like marriage when gay divorce starts becoming common. And all the lawsuits that go with it. So if theres only one gender involved who gets alimony?