Dear Fat People...

[Clint]

And then goes on to explain how all of those relate to the energy consumption/expenditure problem. They're all different ways to reach the same actual cause.

You are wrong.

The argument that fat people eat too much and are lazy is in itself a lazy argument, because there are plenty of people eating the right amount, with the proper amount of activity, who are hefty, and still have trouble losing weight. You're lumping those people into the category of "lazy fat asses" based off of an assumption. If you look at a person's outward appearance and assume his or her activity level and caloric intake, without taking any other factors into consideration, you have a problem on your hands. Here's where we get into genetics.

The body needs carbohydrates to maintain a healthy diet, and if you're eating starches, grains, and sugars, the glucose level in your blood will go up. At this point, the pancreas would produce insulin to prevent glucose levels from getting too high. Insulin tells the body to take up the glucose and use it for fuel. It also tells fat cells to store glucose as fat for later use. As long as insulin remains high, meaning if your diet tends to consist of starches, grains, and sugars, fat cells retain fat, and what's being burnt off while you're exercising is not fat at all, but carbohydrates.

The situation was made increasingly worse due to poor advice from many nutritionists who had your ideals in mind. They stated that obesity was caused by caloric intake or a sedentary lifestyle, and so would recommend low-fat, high-carbohydrate diets in order to promote a decrease in caloric intake, the theory behind this being that carbohydrates wouldn't cause obesity.

Now if all of this is going on inside of the body, it explains some of the negative health aspects of being obese, specifically type 2 diabetes and heart disease, which can result from insulin resistance, which can be an adverse affect from diets high in (not calories, but) carbohydrates.

That's a second cause of obesity. Another cause is certain types of medication, which can slow your body's ability to burn calories, or cause you to hold onto extra fluid or fat. There are also medications that cause the body to release more insulin, or make you more sensitive to insulin, which as I explained above, can cause weight gain.

That's two more factors that can lead to obesity to add to your single cause. Try to refute this shit. Go ahead, make my day.

[Heartless Angel]

You are wrong.

The argument that fat people eat too much and are lazy is in itself a lazy argument, because there are plenty of people eating the right amount, with the proper amount of activity, who are hefty, and still have trouble losing weight. You're lumping those people into the category of "lazy fat asses" based off of an assumption. If you look at a person's outward appearance and assume his or her activity level and caloric intake, without taking any other factors into consideration, you have a problem on your hands. Here's where we get into genetics.

The body needs carbohydrates to maintain a healthy diet, and if you're eating starches, grains, and sugars, the glucose level in your blood will go up. At this point, the pancreas would produce insulin to prevent glucose levels from getting too high. Insulin tells the body to take up the glucose and use it for fuel. It also tells fat cells to store glucose as fat for later use. As long as insulin remains high, meaning if your diet tends to consist of starches, grains, and sugars, fat cells retain fat, and what's being burnt off while you're exercising is not fat at all, but carbohydrates.

The situation was made increasingly worse due to poor advice from many nutritionists who had your ideals in mind. They stated that obesity was caused by caloric intake or a sedentary lifestyle, and so would recommend low-fat, high-carbohydrate diets in order to promote a decrease in caloric intake, the theory behind this being that carbohydrates wouldn't cause obesity.

Now if all of this is going on inside of the body, it explains some of the negative health aspects of being obese, specifically type 2 diabetes and heart disease, which can result from insulin resistance, which can be an adverse affect from diets high in (not calories, but) carbohydrates.

That's a second cause of obesity. Another cause is certain types of medication, which can slow your body's ability to burn calories, or cause you to hold onto extra fluid or fat. There are also medications that cause the body to release more insulin, or make you more sensitive to insulin, which as I explained above, can cause weight gain.

That's two more factors that can lead to obesity to add to your single cause. Try to refute this shit. Go ahead, make my day.

Who the **** have you been arguing with? How to you get "they're lazy and overeating" out of "fat requires unused energy to store"?

Yes. Carbohydrates are also energy. When you're using carbs and have caloric energy left you get fat. That's unused energy. That's exactly my ****ing argument. I don't presume anyone's activity level or caloric intake as an actual number. I can, however; conclude with absolute certainty that their activity level is insufficient to burn the energy they have consumed. Calories are only one type of energy. It doesn't matter whether you eat 4000 calories and no carbs, or 500 calories and enough carbs that your body never uses them, either way you have unspent energy and it gets stored as fat.

Yes, certain medicines can reduce your metabolic rate. Which means your energy consumption goes down. If you're using less than a normal amount of energy and consuming a normal amount of energy, what do you have? Unused ****ing energy.

If you're releasing a lot of insulin and not using caloric energy but still consuming calories, what do you have? Unused ****ing energy.

Fluid retention is not fat. It increases your size, but it is not fat. I already corrected that error when you bright up a disease I assumed was being treated with prednisone, or something similar.

What's there to refute, Clint? You've completely missed the ****ing point. Again the root of the problem is that you don't know what words mean. "unused energy" does not mean "lazy and overeating". You can have an energy excess if you're only eating 100 calories a day if your body isn't using them. How you end up with excess energy is irrelevant as excess energy is still the only way to gain fat. That is literally what fat is.