Can you be perfect?

[Taco-Calamitous]

Well, considering that today's medicine, means of getting food, etc. make it a lot easier for anyone to live a long, sedentary life... although something in the future might change that. Although any instant answer to those things is probably not the best answer. If people have an instant answer-easy button-for a problem, that means they didn't have to work for a solution.

Tto what Alpha was saying, all I can really think to say is this: the moment we deny that we have flaws is the moment we stop trying to better ourselves as people. The moment I become satisfied with where and who I am is the moment that I might as well put up the white flag and die. We can't tell kids in school, "It's okay that you have bad grades; you're just a human. That's how you were made. You don't need to work for better grades, because we will accommodate for you." Or any other number of examples. That might not be what you are saying, but it does imply that, whether you meant it to or not. Anyhoo...

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[Alpha]

To what Alpha was saying, all I can really think to say is this: the moment we deny that we have flaws is the moment we stop trying to better ourselves as people. The moment I become satisfied with where and who I am is the moment that I might as well put up the white flag and die. We can't tell kids in school, "It's okay that you have bad grades; you're just a human. That's how you were made. You don't need to work for better grades, because we will accommodate for you." Or any other number of examples. That might not be what you are saying, but it does imply that, whether you meant it to or not.

Hmm, I'm not sure if I either anticipated that, or meant it that way at all, but I see your point.

But think about it this way, to continue your example. Just because Person A gets good grades, and Person B does not, who's to say that Person A is closer to 'perfection'? In terms of their grades, they are. But people are more than their grades, correct?

Looking at a whole person (grades and everything else under the sun), if we can't measure that Person A is closer to perfection than Person B, then we can't say that Person B is closer to imperfection, either, as both logical statements require each other. They are both just people, getting whichever grades they are able/wish to receive.

I don't think it is either appropriate or desirable to tell people what is flawed and what is not. I received good grades at school, but one of my best friends didn't pass his final year of high school. But he was the nicest person I have ever had the pleasure of meeting, and he was really buff. Which one of us was 'more perfect'? It's impossible to judge on a holistic basis.

Also, to make no suggestion about what is and isn't desirable would be the ultimate Darwinian statement, in a strange way. Having a broad gene pool is desirable. To let traits die out simply because we judge them undesirable would be foolhardy, in genetic sense, unless we lived in some kind of world where people who possessed a specific trait could not function. Like the trait of the absence of lungs.

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I don't think it is either appropriate or desirable to tell people what is flawed and what is not. I received good grades at school, but one of my best friends didn't pass his final year of high school. But he was the nicest person I have ever had the pleasure of meeting, and he was really buff. Which one of us was 'more perfect'? It's impossible to judge on a holistic basis.
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I do. Your friend was awesome, and he should definitely know that. And he should also know that compared to other people he didn't do the best in school. He probably knows that already, though. One of my best friends in school always made C's, but he tutored people who made A's. He just didn't give a shit about his own work. It didn't have meaning to him. School isn't the end all be all of how smart you are, let alone perfect. The education systems have flaws in them too, you know.

Also, I don't think theres a defining line between being intelligent and being buff, and I know where you guys got it from, but I don't agree. There are plenty of people who make time to study, and then go to the gym. Life is all about balance as far as I'm concerned. A good balance between studying and making that A+ and then working on another project like toning your body or even some other project is a good way to take your mind off of both, as long as you're focused.

Anyway. What I gather between the conversation between Alpha and Tele in this thread is that maybe humans cannot be perfect by all humans definition. Is there a human that is possible to call perfect by the majority of the humans, "perfect", though?

And while that question is asked. Is it possible for artificial intelligence to be perfect? Japan is doing some pretty interesting things with robots and AI these days.