Quote Originally Posted by Atma-Noah View Post
I don't think giving 'Evangelicals' their own party would make America anymore secular. If you did that wouldn't you have to appeal to every other religion and give them their own party to? From what I got from your post though you aren't really looking for a secular society anyway right? You just want people to vote unbiasedly.
Absolutely not, it would be up an individual religious group to form their own party. They know they would not succeed in taking the votes however, so they don't even try...they know it's a battle they could not win. I also don't think anyone here is honestly suggesting religious groups should come together when voting, merely pointing out the flaws with doing so.

but it is just as easy to say that God hard wired it into them because he loved his creation and wanted it to work orderly than it is to say that it appeals to survival of the fittest.
It most definitely is not easier, as you first must create the notion of a deity which is a hugely difficult task to do. You're adding an entire creating force independent of the species in question, that is no small task.

There isn't enough evidence to support the claim that your wolves or any species developed a sense of morality over time than there is to say that they had that sense of it off the get go.
Actually, there is. The more complex a species becomes, the more complex its social structures also become. Highly evolved mammals have much more developed social skills than insects. One group acts solely on instinct, the other is capable of complex emotion and acting on those emotions. Is it likely that your creator pick and chose what species were deserving of morality, or is it more likely that the more developed species evolved a form of morality?

I think that is why Albha said that religion is a big factor with morality as it serves as a standard or guide for mankind to judge themselves instead of leaving it up to the individual and their own judgement of morality (which in most cases is self serving).
That really isn't morality then, that is a form of law without punishment is it not?