Secular society? Where?

[Shine Dalgarno]

Obamacare is the bill that was passed, not Obama's original plan. I'm really not sure how you can be a functional human being without the capacity to understand simple concepts like this -- I compared NHS with Obama's original plan. Neither of which are Obamacare.

"I happen to be a proponent of a single payer health care plan, a universal health care plan. And that's what I'd like to see. But as all of you know, we may not get there immediately. Because first we have to take back the White House, we have to take back the Senate, and we have to take back the House." -Barack Obama, 2003

Saying you want something, 5 years before you take office, is not a plan. Its something you want. In fact he didnt even say he wanted it, he just said he was a proponent (that means he likes it)

plan. noun. a scheme or method of acting, doing, proceeding, making, etc., developed in advance

Im guessing you will cling to the developed in advance part, but its not a scheme of acting.

and Obama has taken that opportunity to push through what will evolve into a single-payer system.

speculation. citation that he is planning this? (remember, a plan is a scheme or method of acting, doing, proceeding, making, etc.)

See, again, I'm not saying that Obamacare is a fully single-payer system. I haven't said that at all. But the fact remains that it does have a single-payer mandate for a certain portion of the population.

Source? (dont bother looking it doesnt have any single payer mandidate)

I haven't had the government "give" me any money at all.

But you did take it

So if it's a white guy, you think I'm fine with it, but if it's somebody fron Detroit or Cleveland -- hence, a minority -- then you think I'd just assume they're "lazy and ambitionless parasites".

Lemme guess ... next, you're going to try to BS your way into "well I never said it was a black guy from Detroit or Cleveland ..."

Is there anything else that you want to ignorantly assume about me? (By the way, I won't need to be "first in line" for Social Security, because I'm responsible enough to save for my own retirement.)

The point remains the same. Anything for you is okay, anything for anyone else is a waste. And you'll still be cashing those SS checks.

Anybody who pays their fair share into Social Security deserves to get their own money back out. Why wouldn't they?

You mean, you think "people like me" serve in a state or military position for long enough to earn a pension, then use their pension? Oh no, what freeloaders! Taking what they've earned, how dare they?

Again, the point remains the same. If you're going to complain about government handouts, then ya you're gonna be called out whenever you take government money.

Never cared for Beck, either.

Of course you dont. And you dont like Rand either and you dont Kiss Reagan's ass and you vote with an open mind, just like everyone else on the internet

According to whom?

Or are you truly ignorant enough to believe that somebody who works a public job is being "given" a paycheck?

Everyone gets government money. Its difficult to determine what is worth the money, and what isnt. John McCain may not think studying bear DNA is worth it. Other people might think that state employees are compensated too much. The decent thing to do is to take what money is yours, and stop complaining like a little girl whenever someone else gets something.

Not everybody in the private sector relies on government funding of some sort

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Which is why you have federal grants going towards students who get accepted to college with ACT scores of 15 that will obviously not finish, federal funding going to farmers for leaving their fields empty, etc. etc.

source (this one is not common knowledge, so you have to source it. Idk wtf college you went to, but mine didnt have anyone who "obviously will not finish"

Actually, I didn't say how I paid for college because it's none of your business. But you know how I mentioned the millions upon millions of people who either work their way through college or work for a few years to save money, or both? I did both, which is why I had a job through every semester of college, which I didn't start until four years after I graduated high school. I didn't receive, nor did I request, one cent of taxpayer money, though I qualified for multiple types.

All colleges receive public money, even private ones (although they obviously do less). Example: NIH funding. And all that factors in to tuition costs

No, I haven't. I've said that they share many of the same principles, but I have not "actually said capitalism is one of its principles".

Honestly, is there a big difference? so what if you havent. its still disgusting

[Sasquatch]

Saying you want something, 5 years before you take office, is not a plan. Its something you want. In fact he didnt even say he wanted it, he just said he was a proponent (that means he likes it)

Because he admitted to be a proponent for it, he publicly advocated for it, he admitted that "we" would have to wait until Democrats controlled the White House and both houses of Congress, he even pointed out "we may not get there immediately". Only a complete imbecile would believe, even for a second, that Obama never planned to move towards a single-payer system.

Which has been made very clear.

Source? (dont bother looking it doesnt have any single payer mandidate)

The entire point of Obamacare is to force people to buy insurance, and if they don't, they'll pay a fine and be placed on Medicaid. So let me explain this again, slower -- if they don't buy private insurance, they are mandated to pay to be put on a government program.

Try this -- look up what a single-payer system is, then come back to it. You'll get it. Eventually. Maybe.

And if you want a source -- here's an article about it being found unConstitutional, which would also further my point that it is, well, unConstitutional.

And just for funsies, I'll point back to a post you made a few days ago, in which you said, and I quote, "Obamacare is almost entirely private insurance, with a mandate."

But you did take it

I took nothing that was given to me. If you honestly believe that earning and being given are synonymous, that paychecks and handouts are the same thing, then you are beyond help.

But I wouldn't be surprised, considering that you've already made clear your opinion that income redistribution is "charity".

The point remains the same. Anything for you is okay, anything for anyone else is a waste.

Your original point was "anything for white people is okay, anything for people that might not be white is bad".

And you'll still be cashing those SS checks.

The SS checks will be my own money, considering the fact that by that point, I will have been paying into SS for forty years.

Again, the point remains the same. If you're going to complain about government handouts, then ya you're gonna be called out whenever you take government money.

That the government has taken my money, then given some of it back, does not make it "government money". By that lack of anything resembling logic, you're accepting a handout whenever you get your own tax refund back, or whenever you get change after buying something.

Of course you dont. And you dont like Rand either and you dont Kiss Reagan's ass and you vote with an open mind, just like everyone else on the internet

Beck is a schmuck. Same reason I don't care for O'Reilly, or Boortz, or Limbaugh. Rand has some good points, but like I've already pointed out, she's an anarcho-capitalist. Reagan is by far the greatest president the United States has ever had. And I have voted for, and supported, members of either party.

But I'm sure you know me better than I do, so go ahead and keep throwing out stupid accusations and assumptions on what kind of person I am and what I do and don't support.

Everyone gets government money. Its difficult to determine what is worth the money, and what isnt.

No, not everybody gets government money, and no, it's not difficult to determine what's worth it and what isn't. If it's worth it, the private sector will pursue it. If it's not, the government will throw taxpayer money at it -- which is why Chevy didn't come out with the Volt until the federal government decided that each one sold is worth about $250 million of federal tax dollars.

The decent thing to do is to take what money is yours, and stop complaining like a little girl whenever someone else gets something.

Actually, the decent thing to do woult be to not take anything you can get your hands on, and to encourage others to do the same, to the point of voting to make those handouts unavailable. You may not have a problem voting for men with the power to force people more successful than you to give you some of their paycheck, but that doesn't sit too well with me.

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The initial claim was yours, kid. Hence, any obligation for citation falls upon you.

source (this one is not common knowledge, so you have to source it. Idk wtf college you went to, but mine didnt have anyone who "obviously will not finish"

Here's a short list of the Cal State system, with a couple of their schools accepting 15 and lower Composite ACT scores.

And here's an article about $1.3b in federal subsidies going to people who don't farm at all. I wish I could find more, including articles about Con-Agra, which literally gets money for farmers to leave their fields empty, but that's enough for now.

Honestly, is there a big difference?

Yes, there is a big difference between saying, "capitalism is a a principle of Christianity," and saying, "capitalism and Christianity share many of the same principles."

so what if you havent. its still disgusting

Awwwwwww, now I'm hurt ...

Oh, by the way. You're still on the tab for a cite for a woman who is getting dropped by her health insurance because she got breast cancer, that evangelicals don't believe in global warming (not man-made global warming, but global warming as a whole), that anybody was legally dropped by a health insurance provider because they had had ear infections decades in the past, that Dow "has actually been punished for being so eco-friendly", or ... You know what? Just do what you do. I still haven't figured out if you're a bad troll or just extremely foolish, but I'll let this next post of yours decide. If you come back with sources and a well-thought-out argument backed up by facts and logic, I will welcome the change and continue the debate. If you come back with your usual drivel, I will let you claim victory -- as I'm sure you will -- and leave it be. I refuse to engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent.

[Shine Dalgarno]

The entire point of Obamacare is to force people to buy insurance, and if they don't, they'll pay a fine and be placed on Medicaid. So let me explain this again, slower -- if they don't buy private insurance, they are mandated to pay to be put on a government program.

Thats not how it works, (and thats not what the link you gave said). The link you gave said the individual mandate (which is a mandate to buy PRIVATE insurance) is unconstitutional.

Again, Im looking for a source that says people who dont buy private insurance get placed on a single-payer government program and they must pay for that program.

My source is the link posted earlier on the Kaiser Family Foundations website. What actually happens, here in reality, is that you can either buy insurance or get on medicaid (a FREE single payer system, with the exception of copays. You certainly dont pay to be put on it). if you dont qualify for medicaid, and dont buy insurance, then you pay a fine. thats it. thats the law. if you would stop listening to Beck for your information you would know this.

You obviously cant handle more than one point at a time, so address this issue and I will address the rest of your post.

[Sasquatch]

Again, Im looking for a source that says people who dont buy private insurance get placed on a single-payer government program and they must pay for that program.

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What actually happens, here in reality, is that you can either buy insurance or get on medicaid ... if you dont qualify for medicaid, and dont buy insurance, then you pay a fine.

You are your own source. This is not a difficult thing to understand, and if you'd put away your pompousness, you might admit what you already know, and even what you've already said: If you don't buy your own private insurance, you pay to be put on a single-payer system.

You don't buy insurance. The federal government makes you pay a fine. The federal government puts you on a government-run single-payer health insurance system.

Duh.

Again, this is not a difficult concept. Obviously, you already know it, but simply refuse to admit it.

Again. You pay, and you're put on a government program. It's that simple.

You obviously cant handle more than one point at a time, so address this issue and I will address the rest of your post.

You haven't had any points yet. Nearly everything I'm doing is either repelling asinine assumptions and attacks or clearing up your ignorance, manipulations, and misunderstandings.

[Shine Dalgarno]

if they don't buy private insurance, they are mandated to pay to be put on a government program.

source. why dont you just quote the actual law