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    Quote Originally Posted by Sasquatch
    The first way to look at it would be to include every variable in your assessment. Why do women get paid less than men for the same job ... is it because employers are forced to give women maternity leave, for three to six months, when a woman gets pregnant -- and not forced to give the same time off for men? Is it because the mother of a child is more often called than the father when there is a health or discipline problem with that child? Is it because the mother of a child is more likely to stay home with the child when the child is too sick to go to school? Is it because the mother is more likely to handle the schooling, day care, health, doctoring, etc. etc. of their children, taking time into their work schedule? Is it because females are more likely to get into automobile accidents than are males? Is it because some females have cramps for a week out of every month that make them less effective at their jobs?
    Assume we're not talking manual labor. It's work that can be done just as well by a woman as by a man. Women are trying to have their own careers, but they are still expected, in this society, to manage the children and the home. So, yes, women are often expected to stay home with a sick child or handle the family affairs. If a woman doesn't, she is a bad mother and wife. Men don't have that same pressure. Some individual men might step up and take some pressure off their female partners, but they are not expected to. They are expected to do whatever it takes to be successful, even if that means being uninvolved. And yet, according to your reasoning, the same society that demands women take care of the family has every right to deny women an equal salary BECAUSE they have those family obligations placed upon them.

    If you think everyone is equal and we should all stop working for equality and bitching about discrimination... you are in denial. A black person in the workplace will have to work twice as hard as a white person just to be seen as competent. If he ****s up? "Oh, well, what do you expect from a black guy? Probably listens to rap all the time and went out for fried chicken instead of doing his work." That is not a "joke" that I would be surprised at hearing. Do you have to worry about that? Do you wonder if folks in charge are saying, "Oh, well, what do you expect from a white guy? Probably spent all his money on fancy cheese and alternative rock CDs." If you **** up... it's because you ****ed up. Not because you're white. A lot of minorities don't get that. If they make a mistake, it almost always gets credited to their race.


    What you are indicating to me is that you don't actually think women are your equal. They don't work as hard as you work, aren't as smart and capable as you are, and shouldn't get paid as much as you get paid. You like being in relationships with them and being friends with them, but you do not see them as your peers. That's just a guess, though. But tell me, do you agree with the statement, "Whoever is the strongest is in charge?"

    And I'm certain I won't change your mind any more than you'll change mine, but for some reason, I responded. Another exercise in futility.
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