Quote Originally Posted by Rowan View Post
Having observed everyones posts here, I've noticed a distinct difference between those of atheists and theists view (HA, your views are powerfully atheistic) and the distinction that I've come to see is that it feels as if the theists are always the ones defending their beliefs and not even once have put up argument to an atheists belief. What I consider an argument is a rational point of view, there has been none thus far. One of my friends teachers was talking about the subject of reason and rationality. Upon lecturing the students, the teacher mentioned that in religion, there is no reason or rationality since its entirely faith based. My definition of faith is correct and sourced from the online dictionary. You can believe what you want but when you start attempting to change the definitions of words and religion to try and justify them or create some correlation of rationality and faith, you are wrong.
I see no reason why someone can't defend their beliefs. I think everyone has attempted to defend a belief here, and I think that's half the reason for the undermining.

Arguments such as "oh my grandad was really sick and we prayed and he got better" is not proof of god. If a person is perfectly healthy and he drops dead instantly, is that proof there isnt a god? its the same argument reversed on you.
It might not prove an existence of God, or be God's work, but it's the faith that put hope in his relative's heart. Whilst I'd be more concerned and worried about the operation and the biology involved, and the knowledge the doctor possess, some people find comfort in kind words of hope.

I'm waiting to see something that will make me think "well hes got a point there" but so far all I've seen is "Gods work is all around us".
Even I've put an idea out there into a belief of God, and I'm an atheist.

If I did believe in God, I wouldn't view him as a man, a being, or a deity. I'd view "It" as every single force around us, similar to the Gaia principle, but not in the "hippy" way. What if God could be explained as the air you're breathing right now? That way, you could link God to creation, which is what made us in the first place. What if God is not a man or woman, but a force? What if God, quite literally, is everything?

You wouldn't be able to argue with that. Everything around you was made because God allowed it to be created because he is it.

But alas, another of the reasons I don't believe in a God is because I dislike the beliefs in deities (which the above theory would probably become, as God is a God in people's eyes), and especially the worship around them. I dislike the idea that my life was predetermined or written for me; I make choices every single day, and I don't believe someone else of a higher power had already decided for me what my lunch was going to be.

Also, I can't worship a force. A force isn't a deity, and I'd probably laugh at you if you made a shrine to Gravity.