Fool. Another creationist reveals their narrow religious motivations by attacking evolution as what they believe to be "atheistic."

Mr.j: Atheists will try and make fun of the bible because they just dont believe anything it says , but that belief comes from miseducation not proof, theyl tell u things like the earth was flat according to the bible.. when infact that is a lie the hebrew clearly says the word 'sphere' . See its easy to disprove the bible to an uneducated atheist because the uneducated atheist will never read the bible so he himself has to go off what other people say. So majority of atheists believe in evolution because its what is taught in public schools .. and to the general public its sounds rational because there are no uneducated atheists that study wether the theory is just theory or wether its proven fact... and I will agree with you 100% that u cannot prove a miracle , but u cannot prove the evolution of the world over millions of years either . Both sides have the same evidences like in a court of law . But one is theory against the possibility' of evolution and the other has actual historic proof and theory based on observational science.
Speaking as an atheist, I don't think many do make fun of the Bible. Not many people have even read the Bible to make any worth while judgement call. And it's not the Bible that declared the Earth as flat - it was believed to be flat without the Bible ever existing; and it's believed that the Greeks worked out the Earth has a spherical shape up to two and a half thousand years ago, after noticing that ships "sink" into the horizon - hundreds of years before the Bible was even written.

As an atheist, I don't believe in evolution because it was taught to me - I was raised as a Christian, and I was taught to believe that God created the world in seven days and us in his own image. I support evolution because it poses a better argument to "and that was that, and it was done, and we've lived". I find it hard to believe we just "popped" out of nowhere because some entity or higher power deemed it necessary. Why were we created and are we necessary? Are we just a project led by a spiteful being to question "faith", or are we the result of hundreds of thousands of years worth of genetics, chemistry and biology?

Mr.J:Being close to proving anything is not proof and string theory is just another theory with no explanation other than assupmtions.. if u ask me if there is a God I will tell u yes under my assumption which I cant prove, krause gives great compeling assumptions too but until proven it remains theory just like god does, fact is im not trying to prove wether there is a god or not im using scientific data to see how old the earth is how the layers for . How we have not yet reached equilibrium as far as c14 (carbon analysis) wich scince equation studying it like as a matter of present day events has to be withing 30000 years and it gets younger the more we understand radiometric dating. my good friend this is wat im trying to share to the world .. that there are vicious lies being taught about science evolution and religion to keep us subservient and make us believe we can achieve god like beings in the far future..
I wouldn't ever call anything scientific a "vicious" lie - it insinuates that science is being deliberately cruel to religion, and that's not the case. Science isn't about becoming a God-like creature either - it's to help us understand where we've come from so that we can ourselves better, to make our future easier. Or pre-emptive evolutionary tactics, as I like to call it. Becoming cured of cancer or never again having to suffer from a terrible virus or disease doesn't make us God-like - we all still have one life, and once it's gone, it's gone. Even if someone could live forever, or have supperially advanced genetics before natural evolution has given it to us isn't a bad thing - it's called survival. Does God have a plan for us when our Earth dies? Is it up to us to evolve and reach the speeds of light and beyond to find another "Earth" he's created. According to the Bible, there isn't much on what else is out there. The Bible teaches that the only things God created with intelligence are the angels, man, and animals, and while science has never confirmed or denied other life in the universe, it does understand the basics of what is needed for life to be possible and sustained.

And its cool if u dont buy it... but how can u buy' something just as theoretical.... im not trying to make u believe in God . I cant do that maybe never could.. what I am pointing out is that evolution is not scientific. . It is not science and it is only a theory.. once u can begin to understand the conceptuality of that then my point would be met. Did u not say that if it wasnt for evolution there would be no such subjects as paleontology? Biochemistry? Molecular biology ? There are many fields in science that dont rely on the theory of evolution tonnes and if evolution was never thought of all these fields would still be apparent..
People buy into religion if it's taught too. How can you buy into something that's not consistent (has he even read the Bible? It contradicts itself over and over and over), and has to rely on the work of "miracles" and having faith in them?

I didn't read the next part because damn, it hurt to read. But one final quote from a quick skim:

u can continue to believe a theory that is constantly renewing itself and has lied to u thats fine I really dont care...
How can he believe what he believes? Science and evolution will always develop and renew itself, and will one day get it right - creationism will always be the same, but not always right.


I get what you mean with evolution, Rowan. If it wasn't for evolution, then many a science wouldn't exist. Science is a giant puzzle, but the pieces fit; religion is a box of pieces from loads of other puzzles that rarely meet the same piece of cardboard, let alone a connecting piece.

To be honest, I think you handled it well. You didn't become heated, which I sort of expected. It was him who got a little frosty near the end, and so he definitely isn't worth debating with. He asks you to go in with an open mind, but his is pretty closed and locked with conspiracy theories and what the Bible has taught him - that's not a debate to me. You can't even hope to get through to people like that. But hey, I think this is a difficult topic to go into with an open mind - by the time you're old enough to understand the topic, you've already been raised or decided on what you believe.

TELL ME LEONARD, HOW DO WE RAISE THE CHILDREN?!