Evolution Vs Creation

[SuperSabin]

Rowan, you should check out Stephen Meyer's stuff, he has videos, books, and dvds that go in depth about different topics. I watched a series with a group last year related to this creation vs evolution topic and it was really in depth and provided really interesting concepts. It would be worth your and the other person's while.

[OnOneRyder]

Stephen Meyer is a peddler of ignorance and scientific illiteracy to those who only wish to reinforce what they've been taught by their pastors. I'm more than happy to delve into the significant flaws to his reasoning as well as the institutions he is a part of, even though it's been done to death.

Rowan, first and foremost I'm shocked I managed to get through most of that. This Mr. J character, like Meyer, is a product of his upbringing and dogma; it's entirely a case of putting the cart before the horse. They deduce their conclusion and then carry along an unwavering path of convincing themselves and others through misrepresentation of science and "evidence" until they achieve their goal. It's best not to go down that road to begin with.

[SuperSabin]

Stephen Meyer is a peddler of ignorance and scientific illiteracy to those who only wish to reinforce what they've been taught by their pastors. I'm more than happy to delve into the significant flaws to his reasoning as well as the institutions he is a part of, even though it's been done to death.

Nobody is perfect and I'm sure there may be stuff that might not be accurate, but he does pull out plenty of evidence to back up his ideas using different quotes from Darwin and other known scientists. The thing about theories in a nutshell, you have to have an open mind for them otherwise it's just a waste of time.

[OnOneRyder]

Nobody is perfect and I'm sure there may be stuff that might not be accurate, but he does pull out plenty of evidence to back up his ideas using different quotes from Darwin and other known scientists. The thing about theories in a nutshell, you have to have an open mind for them otherwise it's just a waste of time.

Bear with me here, I do not mean this an insult but you're the exact type of individual he prey's upon. The only thing that matters in the discussion of intelligent design is evidence and whether or not it stands up to scrutiny by professionals in their fields, ID does not. In fact it fails miserably, repeatedly selling the same snake oil to a new crowd of believers under the guise of legitimate science despite being shot down time and time again by legitimate science.

As for theories, an open mind is required yes...but so is an informed and educated mind. Simply claiming one needs to have an open mind reeks of simplicity and a complete lack of understanding of what any theory contesting evolution must bring to the table.