Is Communism Really THAT Bad?

[nickness89]

I agree that Communism could lead to people thinking that they shouldn't bother doing anything if they are going to get a fair share of everything regardless, but that's when laws should be brought in, for instance, that if you don't do your own share of work, then you don't get that fair share of everything. The Commune would have to have laws and regulations set out, by the entire population, through communication and compromise (rather than war), and those that start any trouble that would be in the best interests of themselves only, be prosecuted.

George Carlin on Capitalism:

"But there’s a reason. There’s a reason. There’s a reason for this, there’s a reason education SUCKS, and it’s the same reason it will never, ever, EVER be fixed. It’s never going to get any better, don’t look for it, be happy with what you’ve got. Because the owners, the owners of this country don't want that. I'm talking about the real owners now, the BIG owners! The Wealthy… the REAL owners! The big wealthy business interests that control things and make all the important decisions. Forget the politicians. They are irrelevant. The politicians are put there to give you the idea that you have freedom of choice. You don't. You have no choice! You have OWNERS! They OWN YOU. They own everything. They own all the important land. They own and control the corporations. They’ve long since bought, and paid for the Senate, the Congress, the state houses, the city halls, they got the judges in their back pockets and they own all the big media companies, so they control just about all of the news and information you get to hear. They got you by the balls.

They spend billions of dollars every year lobbying, lobbying, to get what they want. Well, we know what they want. They want more for themselves and less for everybody else, but I'll tell you what they don’t want: They don’t want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking. They don’t want well informed, well educated people capable of critical thinking. They’re not interested in that. That doesn’t help them. That's against their interests. That's right. They don’t want people who are smart enough to sit around a kitchen table and think about how badly they’re getting f***ed by a system that threw them overboard 30 f***ing years ago. They don’t want that!

You know what they want? They want obedient workers. Obedient workers, people who are just smart enough to run the machines and do the paperwork. And just dumb enough to passively accept all these increasingly s***ty jobs with the lower pay, the longer hours, the reduced benefits, the end of overtime and vanishing pension that disappears the minute you go to collect it, and now they’re coming for your Social Security money. They want your retirement money. They want it back so they can give it to their criminal friends on Wall Street, and you know something? They’ll get it. They’ll get it all from you sooner or later cause they own this f***ing place! Its a big club, and you ain’t in it! You, and I, are not in the big club.

By the way, its the same big club they use to beat you over the head with all day long when they tell you what to believe. All day long beating you over the head with their media telling you what to believe, what to think and what to buy. The table has tilted folks. The game is rigged and nobody seems to notice. Nobody seems to care! Good honest hard-working people; white collar, blue collar it doesn’t matter what color shirt you have on. Good honest hard-working people continue, these are people of modest means, continue to elect these rich **** suckers who don’t give a f*** about you… they don’t give a f*** about you… they don’t give a F*** about you. They don’t care about you at all… at all… AT ALL. And nobody seems to notice. Nobody seems to care. That's what the owners count on. The fact that Americans will probably remain willfully ignorant of the big red, white and blue **** that's being jammed up their assholes everyday, because the owners of this country know the truth. Its called the American Dream,because you have to be asleep to believe it."

I agree with this, I agree that you can't even have a shit nowadays without being monitored in some way. Look at the past couple of days, if you read the news websites, and you may have heard of these examples recently, of Capitalist Governments and police abusing their power, because they have the support of money. A boy was arrested, handcuffed and charged for BURPING in class ffs! I'd rather live in a commune, and do work where I get the same share as everybody else, and have laws preventing people from getting too lazy for their own good. you make a good point that people will strive to achieve better, but I think that's a minor sacrifice in favour of the greater good of humanity, rather than the suffering of a population.

P.S. I live on the breadline, as do most of my family and friends, and it doesn't give us a feeling of striving to achieve better, when we know that nowadays, the chances of becoming better are becoming more than slim (in the UK anyway, not sure about USA etc.).

Oh yeah I forgot to mention, China's economy is growing faster than most countries, they are expected to overtake the US within the next decade or two, and they're a communist society ... it looks like it does better in real life than it does on paper.

The consequences of disobedience in a communist country are far more brutal. You must do what they say, otherwise you are basically screwed. You are either killed or jailed. You have no vote, no say in what goes on and are basically oppressed, more so than a democracy or republic.

I think that, if somebody is disobedient when it comes to the greater good for humans as a whole, because they have some need that they wish to fulfill, or don't want to do something because they feel they shouldn't which would lead to bad things for people as a whole, then they deserve to be prosecuted, definitely not put to death, but punished by law.