Quote Originally Posted by Dodie16 View Post
How is manipulating the body of an alien being and using it as his "avatar" of sorts in any way considered "taking a back seat"? I think it takes more power and determination to accomplish something like that than to merely use your own form.
Its taking back-seat, because he's not physcially doing it on his own. He's playing puppetmaster, which is always the crappy role.

Also, he was stuck in crystal. We already established that fact. How can he use his own body when it was half-formed and encased like that? He had to do the next best thing, which was to use Jenova.
Makes as much sense as how he got OUT and then became the wandering spirit/god/whatever that had to be defeated at the end. I might have been the BM's power, but I don't know. It really has been a long time.

Why would he [Sephiroth] do that [get the other "clones" to get the Black Materia] when he can destroy the spirit of the one he despises the most?
Same reason you explained, he's toying with them, and I gave my questions as to why bother? Get it over with.

That's the vulgar term used by others to mock thier fan-based attachment to him. While it might be surprising to you, some fans do actually like him as a character.
True, there do exist PROPER fans, but those are so far and few between. Good luck defending ALL fans... some are just way too reckless... >_>

Sephiroth's character brought something else to the table. He was a "sympathetic antagonist", which is to say you could FEEL something for him and his story other than "okay I gotta destroy this dude because he's evil". In Seph's mind, he wasn't the evil one. It was those who betrayed the Cetra and those were the descendants of Gaia, so they all had to pay for their crime.
Well, all I FELT was blandness. As Kefka professionally said, "he's a sadist with a god complex."

Oh, so now he has too much characterization? You first said that he was characterized very little and now you're at the opposite end saying he has too much.
Too little important info, and too much pointless info.

"Curveballs", as you so bluntly put it, like that keep the story interesting. I for one was quite surprised to find out about who Seph's parents were, particularly Hojo. It also adds to his [Seph's] appeal as a character. His own father used him in an experiment before he [Sephiroth] was even born.
I think its lazy on the developers part when they do that. Its like they kept going back to change the scripte, which is already screwed up with a million typos, so no wonder the story's so confusing...

Sounds like you should take up a hobby writing fan fiction.
Except everyone dies in my story... Sephy first.

I don't think one should ever really judge another character on the merits that they all appear in different games, different canons, and have different values. What works for one, may not necessarily work for another.

Love him or hate him, there is no denying the fact that he was a change from the "typical villain" in the series.

Oh, and why would anyone bother to fight unless they "absolutely must"? Seph is not some meat head who goes around picking fights for no reason.
Don't all villains, somewhere along the line, fall into the same old, boring routine? "I'm going to rule the world. You can's stop me! Neh neh!" Ugh... so overdone...


Not ALL changes are good, you know...

You're right. Instead, he waits until someone fights him. So, basically, he only does things when he "absolutely must."

No he didn't. YOU DID. That's called displacing the blame, btw.

I am not trying to change your (or anyone's) opinion about him. This thread is about FF VII as a whole, but you seemed so keen on character bashing that I felt the need to respond. Please keep to the topic at hand.
Hey, I gave an opinion, you countered, and the war began. Blame human nature. But, if you'd like, we can stop.