I am going to step in and say this once. If you can't be civil when having a debate, GTF out of ID. There is no reason for flaming and flamebaiting other members for their opinions on things or trying to illustrate a point.

Now lets play nice, keep things on the intelectual side and move this thread along. If I come in here and see some of the rules violations I have seen in the last few posts I will start handing out official warnings. Some of you can't afford another warning in ID.

If you haven't caught the hint yet, 2 warnings in ID = banned from ID.