The TFF Council

[loaf]

I am sorry for not saying anything about me going to Torrance, California, it was a last minute thing. I'll read up on what has happened over the weekend. Again I apologize for my last minute disappearance.

[Dimi]

I've finally decided to join this Council. I like the idea of wanting to revitalize TFF and make it kickass once again.

1) Do you care about TFF?
If I didn't care, I wouldn't have logged onto TFF and posted in this club.

2) Are you willing to group together with fellow members and attempt to make this a better place?
I see no problem with that. Everyone that posts on this forum is contributing to make it out the way it is running. I think that everyone has their own ideas and opinions on how to make TFF a better place and is capable of making it better.

3) Off the top of your head, name one/two things you would like to see improved / or to happen with TFF. If possible, try not to say more activity <3 Thats the primary reason for the club.
I can't use that typical answer? Damn...I'll have to say the rules then. While I agree with some, there's some that I'm not too sure about. But that's another topic I think that should be discussed later down the road.

4) Why do you want to be a part of this group?
Like I said earlier, I really like the idea of wanting to revitalize TFF and make it running again.

And on another note...
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Thought I'd seperate the join questions to get in with the current discussion with Toph's permission via IM.

With the whole "Tier" thing, I'm a bit on the fence with this. While I can see how post count does not really make a difference into what people are being grouped if not based on that, I also have to say that post count in a sense does matter. The way I see it, there's no way that a member is able to gain a high post count through posting in the Humor/Word Games forum. It doesn't increase. Instead, you have members who's gained high post counts through RP's, the FF forums, General Chat, Literature, Art, etc. They've also posted in topics, created topics, contributed to making banner contests, and other various things. These are the members that have been consistent and have contributed to the forum. I would have to say that one part of the Tier should be based on post count. Other factors of the Tier should also be based on the quality of the posts and join date.

[Chez Daja]

I'm not sure about this tier thing, I can't say I really agree with it at the moment.

I want to volunteer to be an adopter whilst I'm here though. Add me to that bitchin' list, okay?

I'll edit this later with more content, but I have to make dinner now.

[Unknown Entity]

I'm not sure about this tier thing, I can't say I really agree with it at the moment.

I have to agree.

Firstly, I'm very confuddled about what it is exactly. I mean, we have classes which go by post count already, so I don't see why we would need a tier thing.

Can someone - just ONE person - explain to me exactly what it is? I've had enough confusion for one day as it is.

[Lavos]

Basically, it is a system where those with more experience can have a greater say. It is so Noobs don't come in and push and push and push a certain idea to the last second. Especially if they have absolutly no idea what they are even talking about. Members at the top of the tier have the most say, whilst those at the bottom have the least.

It is just a way of organizing this to make it a little less chaotic. If a lot of the 3rd or 2nd tier votes for/against something, that will be a majority. As noobs become less noobish and new noobs come in, tiers will change.That way, seasoned pro's can contribute what they have seen gone wrong and know what this site needs, so no noob comes in and says something that can be totally insignificant compared to the present topic.

Hope that clears it up for you

[Chez Daja]

That's all well and good, but when it comes right down to it, Sheena, S and I have been here for quite a long time, so we pretty much already know how things used to work, how they work now and how it could be improved. In a way, I'd rather have members ask us about things rather than create a whole tier system that really isn't needed. But that's just my opinion.

[Victoria]

Hmm... what Chez says strikes true. Us three have been here for quite a long while. When you bring that in to light, the tier system really isn't needed.

[Vivi97]

So you dont need me?

[Elyon Seraphim]

1) Do you care about TFF?
Yes! It's almost everything for me!.

2) Are you willing to group together with fellow members and attempt to make this a better place?
3 sentences... Y-E-S! .

3) Off the top of your head, name one/two things you would like to see improved / or to happen with TFF. Acctivity, Uh... I don't really see so much to change... Without that some threads should not be completly forgeted... But yeah...

4) Why do you want to be a part of this group?
Cuz Kilala is there! (Awwwww!)

Whelp that's all i can say...

[Victoria]

Vivi - You've got it all wrong. We're saying the tier system isn't needed. Not the members.

And also, Gilgamesh, think of something other than activity, as that is the sole purpose of this club's existence. Once you do that, I'll let you know if you're in.

People, don't get me wrong, we value your suggestions and opinions and things, but ask us questions, ask us stuff.

...Although, to be honest, Vivi97, since you joined, you've never contributed anything. You're just here.

Please contribute something. Don't be afraid to jump into the discussions with your opinions or suggestions. Even give feedback of the current way the forum is running.

Keep in mind, this club isn't about the video games or the characters of the series or anything like that, it's the community of the forum and the current activity of the forum itself. And in this aspect, you've only joined a few days ago, so you really don't know very much about how this forum operates. Although if you do have any prior forum experience in other places, let us know what worked for you, and what didn't. That's always a valuable asset.

[RagnaToad]

Hmm... what Chez says strikes true. Us three have been here for quite a long while. When you bring that in to light, the tier system really isn't needed.

I never understood why we needed a system like that anyway and im totally drunk right now.

P.S. I didn't write any grammatical/spelling mistakes, right on!

[Fate]

Actually, now that I think about it, I don't like this tier system thing, either. I simply find no use for it now. We know who knows a lot about the forums, so all we gotta do is ask, really.

[MILK]

just deleted mine because it seems that noob opinions arent worth it so ill leave it up to you seeying as i want to though i can't help much apparently....kinda afraid of getting chastised for maybe an error in my reading so its not worth it i guess.

[RamesesII]

So is that thr final ruling then that there will be no tier system and it will just go on the already obvious levels ie Kilala, fate, Shena, Ocean, Chez ,Ralz, Meier i think thats all that is neede in the ruling body correct me if i am wrong i think this topic should be a quick and easy one so we can get onto Member apeciation.

[Fate]

Well, is everybody in favor of getting rid of the tier system, then, since nobody seems to like it?

All right, now we are on to Member Recognition. Well, somebody previously stated in this club, somewhere about seven pages ago, that maybe we could dedicate a whole thread to any members that are special. For example, we could start a thread titled "Chez Daja" or "OceanEyes28", and in it, members could compliment, comment, anything for the person who has been given the thread. It would show them that we care about them.

[RamesesII]

I am not saying that wouldn't be a good idea but wouldn't these threads slowly die after all the active members have posted in it and then it would be just us re-posting idk

I was thinking i know we have yearly awards so i was thinking what about member of the week and member of the month sort of thing.

Member of the week- For this i was thinking this could go to members who have made the most amusing post for the week or the smartest or maybe the stupidest this could be on a comical scale as it will change every week but that doesn't limit us to also maybe include friendlyess member of the week or most helpful, maybe a new meber who has stayed active for a good time during the week can be givin an encouragement award therefore it will act as an incentive.

Member of the month- Im more inclined to take this one more seriously like most helpful member of the month or member to have grown the most, or Member to have contributed the most etc so they would be a more serious thing

And then of course we have the normal yearly ones.

EDIT:: Just a quick addition i forgot to answer your previous question FAte yes that was my idea was to designate ceartain agendas to members two to each for example when it comes time for activities two members can work together and then present it to the council where yourself and the staff can peruse it and say yah or nah etc

[Victoria]

just deleted mine because it seems that noob opinions arent worth it .

Why does no one read my posts as if they don't exist?
I said new member's opinions are still valuable, so if you have any suggestions and opinions, feel free to say them.

Nobody's going to bash you for them, and if they do, they'll get warned.

[Fate]

just deleted mine because it seems that noob opinions arent worth it so ill leave it up to you seeying as i want to though i can't help much apparently....kinda afraid of getting chastised for maybe an error in my reading so its not worth it i guess.

You shouldn't delete them just because you think they don't seem important. Opinions are opinions, and if you look at the rules, you'll notice one in particular that says: "Respect others' thoughts and opinions." But know that when you state an opinion, there will be feedback, but there will not be any saying things like, "That is the stupidest idea I have ever heard!" Just take the feedback to make your thoughts become better, and don't take them personally. What's more, don't be afraid to post them. Like Sheena said (see, I did read your post!), if anyone starts talking crap about you for your opinions, they'll get warned, so don't worry about it.

Member of the week- For this i was thinking this could go to members who have made the most amusing post for the week or the smartest or maybe the stupidest this could be on a comical scale as it will change every week but that doesn't limit us to also maybe include friendlyess member of the week or most helpful, maybe a new meber who has stayed active for a good time during the week can be givin an encouragement award therefore it will act as an incentive.

Member of the month- Im more inclined to take this one more seriously like most helpful member of the month or member to have grown the most, or Member to have contributed the most etc so they would be a more serious thing

I like the Members of the Month idea, but the Members of the Week idea, doesn't that seem too quick and too much? I mean, a week goes by pretty quick, you know, so there'll be a lot of awards. But then again, maybe that could be a good thing, since it could support the level of activity here.

[Sato Arashi]

I have to agree with Fate on the member of the week, it's a bit too fast, but I have a go on the member of the month. The only problem to it is who's rather watching every single posts for just a simple comical moment. It should rather be focused on how much activity a member has contributed, that's the best option for a MotM I should say.

[Fate]

We already have categories for the yearly awards, so maybe we should just stick with one category per month? Like for July, we could have the Best Contributors, and for August... something else. If we just have tons of awards going for each month, then we might as well cancel the yearly awards, because those two would technically be the same. Perhaps only three or five members a month is necessary to recognize, since it'd take time.

[SOLDIER #819]

Oh, hey. Both Member of the Week and Member of the Month sound great, Dragoon. The different focuses for Member of the Week would definitely keep it interesting. Having it be "the best" member would just lead to the same people being picked again and again, so I think that would act as a deterrent (unless that member in question is just amazing). And while I do think Member of the Month should be mildly serious, the award should also change month by month. Just broaden the category so it isn't as... uh... gimmicky as Member of the Week. We should leave the most general awards to the Yearly.

It'd be interesting if the award could be added to the template to showcase it somehow (i.e. a rank, putting it on the index, etc.), but that would require a constant effort on the part of one of the staff. I think it would be sort of sad to restrict it to just an honorable mention in a stickied thread or a banner though... So it's definitely something to be considered.

However, the most important thing is how such an honorable mention will be decided! I think that collecting the votes of all members five times a month (4 Weeklies and 1 Monthly) would be way too much of a hassle. However, I also think having the same few people deciding the vote every time will limit the number of potential candidates.

Maybe it'd be possible to pick a random "jury" of 5-10 "active" members each time? Possibly more for the Monthly. Also, by "active" I mean people who either post often OR lurk often. As long as they read posts, heh. People who want to be a jurist can apply in a thread or something, and everyone can be assigned a number. You can use dice or some other number randomizer to pick people that way. Pretty simple, I would think!

To avoid a situation where the votes cast end up in a multi-tie (which can happen without a strict list of nominees), each jurist will vote for 3 members. That way there is more of a chance of each jurist having a nominee in common. If there are ties, then we will take those nominees and have the jurists decide between those. If it ties again somehow... then you may want to consider if they both deserve it, haha.

Obviously one person, and probably only one person, would need to be the vote counter and overall administrator. If the jurist selection and vote counting are done in anonymity, which would help prevent jurists from "teaming up" to get a nominee the award, it has to be someone pretty trustworthy. But no doubt just about everyone here is.

Let's rev up this think tank!

Edit: Afterthoughts. Going with anonymous votes, the tallies can still be shown after the votes have been counted to ascertain that the selection is legitimate. As said before, the purpose of anonymity is simply to reduce chance of foul play.

Also, the vote administrator should not be able to apply to be on the jury.

[Lavos]

For actually showing the awards, why not use the same idea as champion of a game? At the bottom left It shows if a player is a game champion, and what game. Use that for showing Member of the week/month/year and for what category.

[Meier Link]

Just a random blurble, why not let the staff at TFF pick the "member of the month". I am not really digging on member of the week. All we would be doing on here is voting who's who. I don't think it should be a different title every month. That is what the awards are for and also the bogus awards.

The staff has their own forum and the votes could be taken there. That way it is out of sight and out of mind. Plus the person that receives it will probably feel a little more recognition that they have actually contributed.

[Victoria]

Meier's got a good idea. The staff should take the votes so that way the staff seem more friendly and approachable, also. ^^

[RamesesII]

Okay maybe i should elaborate on it.

As far as member odf the wk goes yes it does come around quick and that is why it wouldn't be such a serious title and Sato i think said that how would someone view all the posts and someone else also mentioned changing of the titles all the time would be a hassle.

Ok this might clear a few things up.

MoTW- Nomination! that was my idea. So for example at the start of the wk a staff member ie Mistress or Ocean or Chez or even Kilala will anounce the category of the week for example lets say it will Be Funniest post of the week, this will be announced in a thread or similar at the start of the week then us the members of the forum will nominate peoples posts as we see them in the forum and nominate them in the thread.
Now if one particular member gets a numerous amounts of nominations then he/she should get the award if not than the nominations will be discussed by the staff or selested judges maybe it doesn't just have to be staff to judge and then they will announce the winner in a seperate thread for everyone to view. I think we should have maybe two threads one for nominations and the other for announcements. and after the winner is announced at the same time the next category will be posted and it might be the smartest post and so on.

MoTM- Okay i am thinking the same as MoTW but obviously because it is a longer time then the awards should be more serious for example Most helpful member of the month or Most Friendliest member etc and i was also thinking a monthly equivelant version of the yaerly most improved new member or just most improved member altogether.

EDIT: I also recieved this idea from an anonymous person, pardon the quote i didn't have the time to put it my own words but please discuss.

Just something I thought up of to elaborate on your member of the week/month idea. Why not have someone from the tff council do an actual interview for the person who gets selected as the member of the week or month? You could ask all kinds of questions, like where they are from, how old they are, then go into how they got involved with Final Fantasy, then go into what they are doing irl, what plans they have for the next five years, and so on. An interesting twist would be for the person who was selected for that week/month, they can choose who gets interviewed next and may even offer a couple of funny/interesting questions that can be given to that person.

[RagnaToad]

MoTW- Nomination! that was my idea. So for example at the start of the wk a staff member ie Mistress or Ocean or Chez or even Kilala will anounce the category of the week for example lets say it will Be Funniest post of the week, this will be announced in a thread or similar at the start of the week then us the members of the forum will nominate peoples posts as we see them in the forum and nominate them in the thread.

That just sounds like the TFF Awards, only every month and limited to one category...

I don't see what would be fun about that other than nominating a new member every month, and more work for the ones responsible for those things.

In my opinion, a MotM thing should be based on who has posted the most qualitative posts in the previous month, if we're even going for a Member of the Month title...

[Vivi97]

Oh sorry must of read it wrong XD

[Victoria]

Oh sorry must of read it wrong XD

Care to partake in the discussions at all?
That's why you're here, right? To give suggestions and opinions to how to improve the forum?

I'd add a bit more to your post if I were you. I'd also like to see you participating at least a few times.

[Vivi97]

Sure lol. But you like my new signature? ^^

MERGED

Also for the Member of the month, we could have every member take a little quiz, like well like this:

What do you like about the TTF council?

How long have you beem in the TTF council?

Who's your favorite member?

Who would you vote to be the member of the month (NOT YOURSELF)?
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It's just a little idea ^^ Tell me if you like

[Victoria]

Sure lol. But you like my new signature? ^^

It's ok, but seriously, add actual topics to your posts. This isn't a thread for random chatting and spam, so please refrain from it.

*Points to the rules of the forum.* You did read them, right?

You can make the the random chat comment, but don't forget to partake in the actual topic discussion also.


Edit: Please refrain from double posting, as that is against the forum rules. And what's the point of that little quiz? It shouldn't be about the TFF Council, as that makes us sound elitist and pompous, which we are not.

Do some homework, and read the forum rules. http://thefinalfantasy.net/forums/me...uncements.html