Quote Originally Posted by Ragnarok View Post
I think you're asking a bit too much in regards to "concrete evidence". It isn't something you can just box up and save for a later date when an unbeliever like yourself says "prove it".
And why can't it be? So you mean to tell me that you're making the claims now, without worrying about whether they're true or not? Why do such a thing? I thought a person's beliefs guided their actions and decisions. If that is the case, would you not want to do everything you can to confirm your beliefs to be true? Guess what... the way to do that is science.


Some things in this world has to be, at least for the time being, left to a belief structure.
I agree.


Science is just another belief structure, whether you'd like to admit it or not.
I don't have to admit anything, because this statement is just false. That's basically like saying science is a religion, which it clearly isn't. Science is the very antithesis of religion. I know this. And I'm not even a scientist.


Sure, it works out for the most part, but there's still a lot of things that science can't explain. So since you want "concrete evidence" as to the existence of another plane or dimension or whatever, I'm going to have to be that guy that flips it on you and says "prove that it isn't".
Ay, and there's the rub. This, ladies and gentlemen, is the textbook argumentum ad ignorantium, or argument from ignorance. Don't get me wrong, Ragnarok, this is not a personal attack on you. I mean "ignorance" here in its most literal definition; "lack of knowledge", not "stupidity". If there are things science can't explain, then inserting woo-woo spirit realm stuff into the gaps between scientific knowledge isn't going to make it true simply because we haven't filled in the blanks.

Also, the "prove that it isn't" argument, or proving a negative, doesn't work. If I asserted to you that there is an invisible purple dragon living in my garage, naturally you'd say "pics or there isn't one." Anyone would. Would I be justified in saying, according to your logic, "Prove to me that he isn't there."? No, of course not.

The difference between you and I is the fact that I'm aware you can't satisfy my demands and I'm okay with that. Just because we believe different things doesn't make either of us wrong.
I never said you were wrong about your beliefs, Ragnarok. People are completely entitled to believe whatever they want. However, if you're going to make factual claims about the spirit world, a realm for which I have yet to see any sort of evidence, then I'm justified in demanding it. Believe it or not, irrational thinking does lead to harm.

Just as a kind of off-topic example, there are actually people who think that they can use mass telekinesis to clean up the oil spill.