The thing is that basically every country in the world, and most likely a lot of Americans, see this stand-offish approach to Universal Health Care to be completely selfish.Originally Posted by Locke4God
Some people CAN'T pay for their health-care and it's not fair that such a basic human right should be taken from them. The right to live.
I know that there are special clinics that give free treatment to the poor and many other different iniatives that try to stop poor people from dieing on the street. But think about it this way, because you're rich does that give you anymore right-to-life than a poor person?
With the current situation, a rich person can afford that life-saving surgery wheras a poorer person would not be able to. In the eyes of the world, it definetly looks like America is unconcerned about it's poor.
That's of course assuming that you're rich enough. You can't go to college if you're poor unless you get a scholarship in America. In 'socialist' Scotland every student has the right to a free University education assuming they have acceptable grades.As we often say, and as Obama has himself said, here you can make yourself anything you want to be. You can make it through school, you can further your education, you can find any job you wish and make the most of it.
Most likely because they're parents couldn't afford to keep them in high school, they needed to get a job to help support the family.We're a country that believes in working hard for what you get and so why didn't more of these people graduate high school?
There are only so many upper-level positions in any company. Most of these positions will go to college-graduates, another missed opportunity for the poor.Why didn't they work their way up in the work force?
They most likely are. The problem is that some things such as food and shelter do normally eat into pay-cheques.Why aren't they responsible with the money they do have?
That is a rather selfish statement. You don't know what these people have to go through.Why am I supposed to support them when they've done little for themselves?
As a country you support every student under the age of 18. Remember the public school system? You're helping them with that, as everybody else did with your education. Do you think America would be as 'civilised' as it is today without free basic education.
The only countries in the world that believe that are the U.S. themselves, alongside a few poverty-stricken countries that don't know any better. Clearly a country that shuns the impoverish sick and refuses to allow legal immigration to unskilled workers cannot be considered free.Why would I believe in the most free country on earth that there is somebody who just can't do it for themselves?
Do you really think every poor-person has this mentallity?I'm talking about a girl I knew in high school who stone cold refused to finish school. Who wouldn't think of going to college. Who didn't dream of anything more than being a hotel housekeeper.
This guy likely came from a fairly well-off family if he could afford this. However he has as much right to free health-care as anyone else in the world.I'm talking about the low glass guy with the $200 cell phone and a $600 Playstation 3 who is now asking for me to pay for him to go the doctor.
Also remember that it isn't just you who is paying for him to go to the doctor. Everyone is. The same as everyone would be paying for you to go to the doctor.
Bypass heart-surgery apparently costs $20,000. I'm not sure how insurance works in the US, however I doubt most insurers would cover the entire cost of the operation. Especially if there is a history in the family of heart problems.
In the UK, this procedure would be entirely free to the patient. And any other patient who needed the procedure. They may need to wait a little while longer than an American. But any cost of the surgery would already have been paid for by the tax-payers.
And before anyone starts about the taxes, remember this, America does not need to have such a massive millitary. They have alliances, and their 'friends have adequete millitaries. Why should America need a bigger millitary that requires funding that could easily be spent on healthcare with little changes to tax.
Freedom should have nothing to do with life or death.And that brings me to the idea of personal responsibility. In America we believe equally in success and sadly failure. You have the freedom of any success you can earn, and you have the freedom to fail. There is no true freedom without the freedom to fail and so you're told growing up, or you should be, that nobody is going to do it for you. You learn that if you don't work hard, then you're going to find yourself living on the street, and thus you're motivated to go out there and work to better your own life. You learn not to be dependant on others.
That's what taxes already do with education.The problem with Obama Care is that it requires the government to reappropriate money from those who have it, to those who supposedly don't, and that is a fundamental dissagreement with the principles America was founded on.
Health-care does help everybody. It means that those who are paying too much need to pay less for the same services. Taxes would pay for health-care for everybody, like in Britain, France, Cuba, Belgium and countless other countries.Our Government collects taxes and is charged with spending them only in service to everybody. It paves roads, for everybody. It prevents corporate monopolies, for everybody. It enforces laws, for everybody. It defends our boarders, for everybody.
But Obama Care doesn't promiss to help everybody. It promisses to help those who for whatever reason have not aquired it on their own. Tax dollars in America are not given to help any one segment of society, and that is a major problem with this plan.
Socialism is not directly related to dictatorship. To my knowledge there are no dictatorships in Europe, whilst there are plenty of Scoalist countries.We're not a socialist nation, and we don't want to be. Our nation works, and it is strong. Cuba, the former Soviet Union, and many other Socialist countries have found themselves in economic ruin and under social dicatatorships.
Except to those who know better. Then they see that America is often as oppresed as third world countries. Especially concerning things such as health-care.Our country is strong and lives in freedom. For over 2 centuries America has been the beacon of freedom for the entire world, and there is no reason to change now at the whim of those who fail to see our strength.
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