Global Warming

[Clint]

Okay, so I tried this once, but for some strange reason, people love to attempt to argue with people who don't want to be argued with. So I'm trying this again.

As I stated in response to Unknown Entity, if everybody recycled, it would actually be very beneficial, concerning that much of the pollution in Pacific cities which finds its way into waterways, ends up way out in the middle of the Pacific Ocean between California and Hawaii. Just a giant, disgusting, floating mess of garbage and trash three times bigger than the state of Texas. Although it doesn't contribute to global warming, it sure as hell is disgraceful, and will literally take hundreds of years to decompose.

How are you trying to help?
I recycle, but that's practically the only thing that I can do as an individual. Every other decision about the environment has to come from somewhere high in government, of course, everybody already knows that the government isn't going to do anything. I'm thinking about moving to an unindustrialized, uninhabited area of the world, but then I wouldn't be able to post on this forum because I wouldn't have access to neither a computer nor the internet, so I don't know about that.

How can we contribute to saving our planet?
We need to take better care of the planet, by eliminating things that send toxins into the air and water. The only problems that humans have made for themselves and every other species on the planet are the high levels of pollution during the industrial revolution to the present day. Also, recycling would be good, especially of paper products, so that humans don't have to resort to any more mass deforestation.

Is enough action being taken?
There's a lot of talk being done on the matter of cleaning up the environment, but one has to keep in mind that most of the politicians got rich of of things like oil and coal, so by finding cleaner means to produce power by, they would lose money, and as everybody knows, money is the only thing a politician care about. They don't care if millions get sick and die from drinking their toxic water or by breathing their toxic air, because even without us, our money will still be in circulation.

[Zardoch]

Basically, I wanted to discuss all this and more. For example, how are you trying to help?

I'm not. Since the world isn't in any kind of peril, except the political war kind, I'm pretty sure it can take care of itself.

How can we contribute to saving our planet?

Who says our planet needs saving? Al Gore? Captain Planet? Every movie that gobbles up the global warming trend?

Anyway, I think we, as humans, should take into consideration what we do to the environment, but in the end it should be something that benefits the planet AND our kind because for the most part, environmentalist would rather kill a bunch of people to save the earth (e.g. 'population control') than truly help. I mean we've actually had plenty of times in our history where we would have been able to start things like nuclear power planets or clean coal production (which could produce our own oil through its conversion too!), but for some reason politicians (who tote the environmentalist party lines) decided to ban places we could mine coal and ****-block any methods of actually making American life easier through alternative energies.

If there is anything we should contribute to the world, we should kick out almost every politician, reelect people who actually share our common sense, and then we can get the ball rolling because the people in power now (who are mostly democrats) do not have our interest at heart, especially for the planet despite what they say.

Is enough action being taken?

Too much action is being taken and most of it is BS. I'm glad we're finding new ways to do similar things that truly help (e.g. turning trash into soil), but a lot of the studies and such are misdirected. Carbon emissions are not the reason the earth has gotten warmer over the years, and yet so many people base their ideas off of that (link). Again, for the right kind of innovative direction to take place, we need the politicians to get out of the way. Wind turbines and solar panels won't do jack shit except cost more money we don't have.

What do you think about it all?

There is no dispute that global warming is real, though I don't think in these modern times it's as extensive or harming as some people say. Man-made global warming on the other hand, is not real. It never was. It was just a way for Al Gore to get rich while instilling fear into everybody. What political machine use to do that? Oh yeah, the catholic church (think crusades).

Furthermore, scientist are actually realizing how ridiculous it has become with evidence that's starting to make Gore sweat. What kind of evidence?

Snowfall-Driven Growth in East Antarctic Ice Sheet Mitigates Recent Sea-Level Rise -- Davis et al. 308 (5730): 1898 -- Science

That's an article from 2005 showing an increase in ice in Antarctica, which means it's slowing down sea levels from rising. The same thing was found in Greenland. Take note that both places GAINED ice, meaning that the kind of global warming propagandist are talking about is also a lie. Also last year, Baghdad had its first snow in a hundred years! (link)

Recent Ice-Sheet Growth in the Interior of Greenland -- Johannessen et al., 10.1126/science.1115356 -- Science

Even more recent studies shows that there has practically been no change in sea level at all.

(NOTE: Just so you also understand, melting ice caps do next to nothing to the sea levels either. Think of it like putting ice in a cup of water. If you leave it for a couple hours at room temperature, the added melted water from the ice will be insignificant. So what makes the water rise in the cup when you put ice cubes in it? The question answers itself--the solid masses of ice. Yet ironically, more ice added to glaciers or land masses of ice slows the rise of sea levels because it means there's more water being frozen than released. Antarctica itself has grown in size recently.)

If you want an even greater reminder at how ridiculous this all is, guess what Al Gore did a couple weeks ago that truly shows how much a lying coward he is? In an debate, Gore practically banned his opponent, Christopher Monckton, from debating himself and guess who he put in Monckton's place? NEWT FREAKIN' GINGRINCH! Newt is a supporter of Gore's lies and only further shows how silly this is becoming.

So anyway, while I am all for making human life environmentally cleaner and better for everyone, we need to make it our priority to think clearly and calmly before jumping on these bandwagons.

P.S. - Here's something from the same Christopher Monckton to read.

http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/mo...oreerrors.html