Assuming evolution is true, where did the first cell come from?

[vevuxking102]

There needs to be an area where everything is perfect for living cells can form and propagate

Um, okay. I don't know who ever said that, but what does that have to do with Cosmology and the Big Bang?

For us it's earth, yet where did the cells originate? How, out of all the universe, did we end up here, living? Where is the beginning of all life?

On Earth?

Origin of the first cell

For more information, RNA world hypothesis
For more information, Last universal ancestor

In a gene-centered view of evolution, life is regarded in terms of replicators—that is DNA molecules in the organism. In this paradigm, cells satisfy two fundamental conditions for the evolution of complexity. If freely-floating DNA molecules that code for enzymes are not enclosed in cells, the enzymes that benefit a given replicator (for example, by producing nucleotides) may do so less efficiently, and may in fact benefit competing replicators. If the entire DNA molecule of a replicator is enclosed in a cell, then the enzymes coded from the molecule will be kept close to the DNA molecule itself. The replicator will directly benefit from its encoded enzymes.

Biochemically, cell-like spheroids formed by proteinoids are observed by heating amino acids with phosphoric acid as a catalyst. They bear many of the basic features provided by cell membranes. Proteinoid-based protocells enclosing RNA molecules may have been the first cellular life forms on Earth. Some amphiphiles have the tendency to spontaneously form membranes in water. A spherically closed membrane contains water and is a hypothetical precursor to the modern cell membrane composed of proteins and phospholipid bilayer membranes.[11]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cell_%2...igins_of_cells

Why did life begin?

Most people who advocate Scientific theories will tell you there is no reason why, and that's fine an all. But I, as a Christian believe Yahweh God created us so we could worship him and so he could punish us.

It needs to connect or it couldn't exist. Each theory and scientific law crosses each other, barring some from crossing, but building bridges to others. It wouldn't work in the reality otherwise.

And who said that? And honestly, if you're going to argue about scientific facts, use science, not your own ideas. I'm not going to argue about your own ideas about things. And also, give proof. Give me links, citations, sources, etc.

Yet, why do people deny the theories of others? Why do they fear the unknown?)

Which theories are you referring to?

How can someone who's discovering information about the universe be fearing the unknown? Isn't that the complete opposite?

[Draken Benvolaid]

Um, okay. I don't know who ever said that, but what does that have to do with Cosmology and the Big Bang?



On Earth?

Origin of the first cell

For more information, RNA world hypothesis
For more information, Last universal ancestor

In a gene-centered view of evolution, life is regarded in terms of replicators—that is DNA molecules in the organism. In this paradigm, cells satisfy two fundamental conditions for the evolution of complexity. If freely-floating DNA molecules that code for enzymes are not enclosed in cells, the enzymes that benefit a given replicator (for example, by producing nucleotides) may do so less efficiently, and may in fact benefit competing replicators. If the entire DNA molecule of a replicator is enclosed in a cell, then the enzymes coded from the molecule will be kept close to the DNA molecule itself. The replicator will directly benefit from its encoded enzymes.

Biochemically, cell-like spheroids formed by proteinoids are observed by heating amino acids with phosphoric acid as a catalyst. They bear many of the basic features provided by cell membranes. Proteinoid-based protocells enclosing RNA molecules may have been the first cellular life forms on Earth. Some amphiphiles have the tendency to spontaneously form membranes in water. A spherically closed membrane contains water and is a hypothetical precursor to the modern cell membrane composed of proteins and phospholipid bilayer membranes.[11]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cell_%2...igins_of_cells



Most people who advocate Scientific theories will tell you there is no reason why, and that's fine an all. But I, as a Christian believe Yahweh God created us so we could worship him and so he could punish us.



And who said that? And honestly, if you're going to argue about scientific facts, use science, not your own ideas. I'm not going to argue about your own ideas about things. And also, give proof. Give me links, citations, sources, etc.



Which theories are you referring to?

How can someone who's discovering information about the universe be fearing the unknown? Isn't that the complete opposite?

I'm getting tired going back through and quoting everything so I'm going to just write it at the bottom.



Through this whole thing, you deny the possibility that things can cross each other, viewing everything as separate things, all unrelated within this plane of existence, yet the universe could never exist without connecting. They're not separated by some wall of facts, they interact with each other. It's basic Physics. An idea is only an idea if it never reacts and interacts with the things around it. Again basic Physics.


A person denying the theories of others is not. That's the point, you fear the unknown closing your mind to possibility and reason. You don't know it, so you deny it's possibility of my theories and the theories of others. Again, why do you fear and deny the theories that you choose to deny as possibility?

[vevuxking102]

Through this whole thing, you deny the possibility that things can cross each other

Uh...no I didn't. I just asked you to back up your statements that certain scientific theories are impossible with science. Unless that is beyond your grasp. When you argue and discuss science, I don't care about your ideas, I only care about the science.

ey're not separated by some wall of facts, they interact with each other. It's basic Physics.

You're not advocating basic Physics though. You're not advocating anything...at least, I think you're not.

A person denying the theories of others is not.

Denying which theories? I've asked that over and over again. Who's theories are being denied, and who is doing the denying?

That's the point, you fear the unknown closing your mind to possibility and reason.

How do I fear the unknown and in what context?

You don't know it, so you deny it's possibility of my theories and the theories of others.

What are your theories? And you saying it doesn't make it a theory. There is specific criteria for something to be classified a theory.

Again, why do you fear and deny the theories that you choose to deny as possibility?

Who's theories am I denying?

[Walter Sobchak]

Vevu is my new favorite member.

Evolution does not have anything to do with the origin of life, that would be abiogenesis. There are many different ideas as to how the first cell evolved, and it is one of those questions that is too complex to answer at this time.

The Miller-Urey experiment is the only real information we have. Amino acids found in living cells were formed by the carbon and other elements that likely existed in early Earth.

Maybe we are aliens. Who knows.

[vevuxking102]

Why am I your new favorite member?

And it's ve Vux.