The US Election

[Sasquatch]

Well that's such a wrong view I don't even know where to start. The fact of the matter is you're American so you hate strong centralized government.

Because more government control means less prosperity and less freedom. Mainly, less freedom.

But you vote these people in. You don't like it you have a choice.

I don't vote all of them in. And I don't control all of their policies. Unfortunately, too many politicians get elected by promising things to people -- people who would rather vote for their money than work for it.

That's democracy... you know, that good old fashioned regime that seems to be forced on a country that doesn't necessarily want it...

When did this happen?

I want to see a return to a Democrat-run Presidency because quite frankly the world, not only America has been abused by the Republicans for a good... oooh 8 years now.

What strictly-Republican policies have been bad for America or the world?

Honestly, I want to hear it. Tell me what strictly-Republican policies have been bad for America or the world.

Don't get me started on the debt-ridden Reagan years. Because quite frankly it's an argument I will win I assure you.

You think so? If you're so confident that Reagan was such a bad President, you can make a different thread about it.

Barack is a nice guy, I have to say.

Being a "nice guy" doesn't help when they're trying to lead a country.

I watched the Presidential Debates (the ones so far) and he is coming across very well but still there's something about his aggressiveness regards Pakistan that I find a titch unnerving.

Just wondering -- how many have there been so far?

McCain is too old and I hate Palin with a passion.

Are you serious? McCain is too old? Well Obama is black! And Palin is a woman! And Biden is, umm, ugly! That must mean they would be bad in public office!

Bridgitte Bardot wrote a fantastic letter which I'm quoting here:

"By denying the responsibility of man in global warming, by advocating gun rights and making statements that are disconcertingly stupid, you are a disgrace to women and you alone represent a terrible threat, an environmental catastrophe."

Although I think it's perhaps just a smidge too harsh I can't help but agree.

Calling her a "disgrace to women", a "terrible threat", and "an environmental catastrophe" is "just a smidge too harsh"? I guess comparing her to Hitler would be just a bit, just a minescule amount more harsh?

Palin doesn't buy into the belief that man is responsible for global warming and supports Constitutional rights and freedom. Those aren't bad things.

Now I'm not exactly a liberal green but when Mr. McCain's great plan for renewable energy sourcing is to build and I guess I'm paraphrasing slightly but: "... build a whole stack of nuclear power stations..." I start to ask questions.

Nuclear energy is some of the most efficient, cleanest, most cost-effective energy the world knows. Supporting more nuclear energy is not just logical, it's smart.

But hell it's a massive mistake to carry on with a blatantly military-biased Republican regime.

How dare those evil Republicans support the United States military!

Sasquatch, why do you always act surprised when I come across as biased? ... It's selfish, but it's honest, and you feel the same reversed.

Viewing America from the inside, I care more about the country itself than I care about how other people outside the country see it. Like I said, it's the President's job to take care of the U.S., not to make it more popular.

As for your enemies not wanting you dead anymore, it could happen.

Until the country becomes poor, weak, and Muslim -- and drops all support for our ally, Israel -- some countries in the Middle East will hate us. Until the country becomes poor, weak, and communist, some countries in Asia will hate us.

Once again -- I look out for the country more than I give a damn about how much other countries like us.

For the same reason, I highly doubt you want your country to become more like the U.S. so we'll like your country more.

There is no reason Iran should detest you; if your response to this is to bring up the Islam-Hates-America thing, if you can bring the Saudis on board, taking the Iranians shouldn't be hard.

No reason Iran should detest us? You're right. But they do anyway -- because we're Christian, free, and support the existence of Israel and the lives of Jewish people.

Acting tough is called for in some situations, but given the current political climate of the world I must say that I don't think this is the time for it.

Sure, there's a time for diplomacy, and there's a time for military use. And even Republicans have proven that they prefer diplomacy to immediate military use.

Surely it would be better, safer and more sensible for America to cultivate friends around the world?

Like they're doing in Iraq and Afghanistan?

Macedonia and Georgia want McCain because their governments seem to think that he, being more edgy about Russia, would fast-track them into NATO.

That brings to mind an interesting question -- how long did it take for Russia to get NATO and UN support for their military action? And if they didn't, where was the worldwide outcry about it?

... (Georgia started the August war) ...

I'd honestly like to know more about that. Do you have any credible sources?

Also, one of Obama's policies is to strengthen your military.

How so?

I see the logic in this move, because China are about to overtake you. At last count they had more troops and submarines, and are fast approaching having the largest air force and navy in the world.

They still don't have the technology. They have ICBMs because of Clinton, but they don't have supercarriers, or, say, supersonic stealth aircraft.

In an all-ground war, China has no competition. But in three-tier combat -- and as far as training and technology go -- it'll take a while for them to get to the level of the United States.

What I mean is, should a situation develop where, in a hypothetical world, China stands as hegemon and America feels they've done wrong, McCain, based on 'Bomb Iran', seems like he'd be more likely to attack as part of America's transition to not being the hegemon anymore.

You're suggesting that McCain would be more likely to attack an opposing superpower, and basing that suggestion on his joke concerning attacking a present enemy of the United States?

And, now that I've mentioned Bomb Iran (sung to a Beach Boys tune, I do believe) I'll add that a politician of any creed anywhere in the world supporting a vile, disgusting song like that is deplorable.

C'mon, it was a good song. If you're referring to Barbara Ann, it wasn't a Beach Boys tune, I believe The Regents first performed it. If you're referring to Bomb Iran, that was a parody from 1980.

Pre-emptive war is still a war crime, and perhaps the days are coming when America won't be powerful enough to tell everyone else to obey these rules while they flounce about breaking them anymore.

Maybe you can give me some examples of America breaking the rules.

I said that Palin was less experienced because the only things she's been near she's screwed up royally.

Your only support for that idea is the debt of Wasilla, which is a result of issues that were VOTED ON BY THE POPULATION. Which means that Palin isn't responsible for it at all.

... (what more can a senator do, and has John McCain done, than vote how they feel will benefit America?) ...

Well, for one thing ... VOTE. As in, "yes" or "no". If you actually want to learn things about Obama, you should look up how many votes he was in on, how many he was absent from, and how many he simply voted "present" on.

... but at least that pile of nothing hasn't created piles of debt, mountains of wasted money (see: bridge/roads to nowhere) and abused power?

Once again, if you're accusing Palin of the debt, you're wrong. If you're accusing Palin of the bridge to nowhere, you're wrong. And if you're accusing Palin of abusing her power ... how else can I say this ... you're wrong. Oh wait, no, you're right! That's why Palin has been convicted and accusations against her have been supported by facts, instead of devolving into a witch hunt, right?

Maybe black people really do have a shorter life expectancy. I can't be bothered looking it up.

You can if you want, but they do. This is somewhat well-known. Just like the fact that women have a longer life expectancy than men do.

But still, he's not even 45 yet!

Say again, how old is Obama?

He is going nowhere at the behest of natural causes. Biden is not as old as McCain, but more importantly, he hasn't had cancer four times.

And he's much more of a dumbass. He's got more stupid comments than Palin does. If you watched the debate, you would hear him talking about going to a restaurant that has been closed for twenty years, or how the U.S. and France kicked Hezbollah out of Lebanon. Or maybe you would have seen him reveal his lack of knowledge on the U.S. Constitution, or the 1800+% error on money spent on Afghanistan or Iraq, or his flat-out lies on McCain's record on nuclear test ban treaties.

I still don't think Hillary voters would pick Palin. Palin is not an advocate for women's rights at all...

Palin supports a child's right to life more than she supports a woman's right to not be inconvenienced by her own irresponsibility. That's a good thing. And of course she won't gather ALL Hillary voters, but there are some that are dumb enough to vote for her for no other reason than that she's a woman -- just like they were dumb enough to have supported Hillary because she's a woman, and just like there are people that are dumb enough to support Obama because he's black, and, yes, people that are dumb enough to hate Obama because he's black.

HIs campaign shields her from reporters, and when she gets let near them, she comes off with the rot we saw in the Couric interview.

I'm willing to bet that you've never seen the entire, non-edited interview, have you? They have shielded her from some reporters and interviewers because they do nothing but attack and berate her. She has every right to refuse questions.

I'm still waiting for somebody to offer actual stupid quotes from Palin. Not quotes that are taken out of context, not quotes that are misunderstood or manipulated, but actual stupid quotes.

Where have you been? It's been all over the news this week. She has been campaigning all over the place calling him a terrorist! Watch the news!

Then it should be easy for you to find, shouldn't it? So tell me -- When did Palin Say that Obama was a terrorist?

[Phantom]

Because more government control means less prosperity and less freedom. Mainly, less freedom.I don't vote all of them in. And I don't control all of their policies. Unfortunately, too many politicians get elected by promising things to people -- people who would rather vote for their money than work for it.When did this happen?What strictly-Republican policies have been bad for America or the world?

Honestly, I want to hear it. Tell me what strictly-Republican policies have been bad for America or the world.You think so? If you're so confident that Reagan was such a bad President, you can make a different thread about it.Being a "nice guy" doesn't help when they're trying to lead a country.Just wondering -- how many have there been so far?Are you serious? McCain is too old? Well Obama is black! And Palin is a woman! And Biden is, umm, ugly! That must mean they would be bad in public office!Calling her a "disgrace to women", a "terrible threat", and "an environmental catastrophe" is "just a smidge too harsh"? I guess comparing her to Hitler would be just a bit, just a minescule amount more harsh?

Palin doesn't buy into the belief that man is responsible for global warming and supports Constitutional rights and freedom. Those aren't bad things.Nuclear energy is some of the most efficient, cleanest, most cost-effective energy the world knows. Supporting more nuclear energy is not just logical, it's smart.How dare those evil Republicans support the United States military!


Viewing America from the inside, I care more about the country itself than I care about how other people outside the country see it. Like I said, it's the President's job to take care of the U.S., not to make it more popular.Until the country becomes poor, weak, and Muslim -- and drops all support for our ally, Israel -- some countries in the Middle East will hate us. Until the country becomes poor, weak, and communist, some countries in Asia will hate us.

Once again -- I look out for the country more than I give a damn about how much other countries like us.

For the same reason, I highly doubt you want your country to become more like the U.S. so we'll like your country more.No reason Iran should detest us? You're right. But they do anyway -- because we're Christian, free, and support the existence of Israel and the lives of Jewish people.Sure, there's a time for diplomacy, and there's a time for military use. And even Republicans have proven that they prefer diplomacy to immediate military use.Like they're doing in Iraq and Afghanistan?That brings to mind an interesting question -- how long did it take for Russia to get NATO and UN support for their military action? And if they didn't, where was the worldwide outcry about it?I'd honestly like to know more about that. Do you have any credible sources?How so?They still don't have the technology. They have ICBMs because of Clinton, but they don't have supercarriers, or, say, supersonic stealth aircraft.

In an all-ground war, China has no competition. But in three-tier combat -- and as far as training and technology go -- it'll take a while for them to get to the level of the United States.You're suggesting that McCain would be more likely to attack an opposing superpower, and basing that suggestion on his joke concerning attacking a present enemy of the United States?C'mon, it was a good song. If you're referring to Barbara Ann, it wasn't a Beach Boys tune, I believe The Regents first performed it. If you're referring to Bomb Iran, that was a parody from 1980.Maybe you can give me some examples of America breaking the rules.Your only support for that idea is the debt of Wasilla, which is a result of issues that were VOTED ON BY THE POPULATION. Which means that Palin isn't responsible for it at all.Well, for one thing ... VOTE. As in, "yes" or "no". If you actually want to learn things about Obama, you should look up how many votes he was in on, how many he was absent from, and how many he simply voted "present" on.Once again, if you're accusing Palin of the debt, you're wrong. If you're accusing Palin of the bridge to nowhere, you're wrong. And if you're accusing Palin of abusing her power ... how else can I say this ... you're wrong. Oh wait, no, you're right! That's why Palin has been convicted and accusations against her have been supported by facts, instead of devolving into a witch hunt, right?You can if you want, but they do. This is somewhat well-known. Just like the fact that women have a longer life expectancy than men do.Say again, how old is Obama?And he's much more of a dumbass. He's got more stupid comments than Palin does. If you watched the debate, you would hear him talking about going to a restaurant that has been closed for twenty years, or how the U.S. and France kicked Hezbollah out of Lebanon. Or maybe you would have seen him reveal his lack of knowledge on the U.S. Constitution, or the 1800+% error on money spent on Afghanistan or Iraq, or his flat-out lies on McCain's record on nuclear test ban treaties.Palin supports a child's right to life more than she supports a woman's right to not be inconvenienced by her own irresponsibility. That's a good thing. And of course she won't gather ALL Hillary voters, but there are some that are dumb enough to vote for her for no other reason than that she's a woman -- just like they were dumb enough to have supported Hillary because she's a woman, and just like there are people that are dumb enough to support Obama because he's black, and, yes, people that are dumb enough to hate Obama because he's black.I'm willing to bet that you've never seen the entire, non-edited interview, have you? They have shielded her from some reporters and interviewers because they do nothing but attack and berate her. She has every right to refuse questions.

I'm still waiting for somebody to offer actual stupid quotes from Palin. Not quotes that are taken out of context, not quotes that are misunderstood or manipulated, but actual stupid quotes.


Then it should be easy for you to find, shouldn't it? So tell me -- When did Palin Say that Obama was a terrorist?

Time to throw in my two cents...m.e.h

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Are you serious? McCain is too old? Well Obama is black! And Palin is a woman! And Biden is, umm, ugly! That must mean they would be bad in public office!Calling her a "disgrace to women", a "terrible threat", and "an environmental catastrophe" is "just a smidge too harsh"? I guess comparing her to Hitler would be just a bit, just a minescule amount more harsh?


Well its clear to see that your Republician, no offense if you are, but meh its obvious. Yes, McCain IS old, in fact he's so old hes at the stage when we have throughts like: "If hes elected, lets hope he doesn't get a suddent Heart Attack and dies on the spot." And the over popular, "ZOMG, he's OLD, you honestly think he won't go senile while running the white house?"

Also: Well Obama is black!

Umm... who cares? My Mom is black. My boyfriend is part black, my aunt is BLACK for God sakes! Who cares? Is being black really that bad? Also when you said Blacks have lower life expectnacy, where is the source of this infomation?

Let me share with you some infomation: My great grandmother used to smoke alot even when she was old. And you know? She lived to be 102, even through she was smoking. So this infomation DOES NOT Apply to Every Black American! This is pure statistic, probarly from a study.

Yes, smoking is bad, in fact I've never smoked and NEVER will, nor drink, because I want to live a good long "healthy" life. Smoking is bad for everyone, and it can lower life expectnacy but this I don't think just applies to blacks it applies to everyone. Also, unlike McCain, Obama isn't 72, he isn't even 45 yet, like Gov. said, he STILL has ALOT of life in him. Age can play a factor in these kinds of elections, this being one of the most important elections in the country.

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I guess comparing her to Hitler would be just a bit, just a minescule amount more harsh?

*Ahem* Don't get me started on Hitler XD. *Hitler is back! Run Away! Ahhh* No, seriously, Hitler WAS a dictator, he was what Saddam wished he could be, a evil nutcase. Palin can turn out to be just like him, but not in the overly evil sense, she'll never be what Hitler was...I hope not. I dislike Palin's views, mainly one of which is she even if she's elected and if she becomes President if McCain kicks the bucket, she still wouldn't support Gay Marriage. That's what I really care about atm. I want a president that can overcome and get rid of the old ways and usher in CHANGE. McCain can't offer that, especially not for gays. (looks at Palin when saying that). Palin doesn't support a woman's right to choose. She's against abortion & Stim Cell Research. Some women should have the right to choose between them, that is a woman's right, and Palin doesn't support women's rights, nor does McCain.

I'm not big on Politics, and I'd rather stay away from the subject, but I feel that Obama can bring about some relieve of change that McCain/Palin wouldn't be able to provide. Also:


And Biden is, umm, ugly!


Umm...isn't this harsh in itself? LOL

[Sasquatch]

Well its clear to see that your Republician, no offense if you are, but meh its obvious.

Once again, I am not a Republican. I'm pretty sure I've said this before.

Just because I defend Republicans against baseless, ignorant attacks doesn't mean I'm a Republican, myself.

Yes, McCain IS old, in fact he's so old hes at the stage when we have throughts like: "If hes elected, lets hope he doesn't get a suddent Heart Attack and dies on the spot." And the over popular, "ZOMG, he's OLD, you honestly think he won't go senile while running the white house?"

This isn't a serious argument, is it? See below.

Also: Well Obama is black!

Umm... who cares?

But, but, but, but, but, but he's black! In fact, he's so black, he's at the stage when we have thoughts like: "If he's elected, let's hope he doesn't waste our money on crack cocaine and hookers!" And the ever popular, "ZOMG, he's BLACK, you honestly think he won't go crazy and start 'busting caps' while running the White House?"

Now, do you see how foolish that was?

Also when you said Blacks have lower life expectnacy, where is the source of this infomation?

Well, besides common sense ... Here. Is that enough sources?

Let me share with you some infomation: My great grandmother used to smoke alot even when she was old. And you know? She lived to be 102, even through she was smoking. So this infomation DOES NOT Apply to Every Black American! This is pure statistic, probarly from a study.

And apparently, statistics and studies mean absolutely nothing, right? Probarly, anyway.

Anyway, no, nothing applies to EVERYBODY. Everything is general. You'll always have people that defy the statistics. My grandparents smoked like chimneys since they were teenagers, and my grandfather is incredibly healthy. That doesn't mean that everybody that smokes three packs a day for seventy years fares so well.

Smoking is bad for everyone, and it can lower life expectnacy but this I don't think just applies to blacks it applies to everyone.

Amazingly enough, things that apply to everyone also apply to blacks! Funny how that works, ain't it?

Also, unlike McCain, Obama isn't 72, he isn't even 45 yet, like Gov. said, he STILL has ALOT of life in him.

Would somebody please look up how old Barack Obama really is?

Age can play a factor in these kinds of elections, this being one of the most important elections in the country.

One of the most ... there are more important elections than President?

Age isn't a factor. Sex isn't a factor. Race isn't a factor. Issues are a factor. Experience is a factor.

I dislike Palin's views, mainly one of which is she even if she's elected and if she becomes President if McCain kicks the bucket, she still wouldn't support Gay Marriage.

She supports the same rights for homosexuals that Obama does. Where have you called Obama out on this?

That's what I really care about atm.

You don't care about the economy, or the military, or the Constitution ... but you care about homosexual rights, and that's it?

I want a president that can overcome and get rid of the old ways and usher in CHANGE.

And Obama's record of ABSOLUTELY NOTHING gives you the impression you can trust him to do, well, something?

Palin doesn't support a woman's right to choose.

She values the life of children over the convenience of irresponsible women? Oh no!

She's against abortion & Stim Cell Research.

While "stim cell research" doesn't exist, I assume you mean stem cell research, which Sarah Palin is not against. She is against the use of embryonic stem cells, which are -- obviously -- from embryos. People against abortion are also against embryonic stem cells used in research. Instead, the myriad other types of stem cells can be used in research.