Short experiment presents a majority of several women surveyed as gold diggers

[palette]

YouTube - Science of Sex Appeal: What Women Find Attractive

I don't personally like to believe in these sort of things. I believe that these sort of things are often socially constructed and manipulate us as a race. Though the results for this experiment are in and they certainly have made a case for youtube users. I just wonder how much this video alters their perspectives on life. Videos can have power over people who can't be objective to what they see.

Do you believe that this test is bias? Do you agree with this test? I'd like to hear your opinions on this test.


Edit: The term gold digger is some what offensive. You could argue that having not known some one that being attracted to them for their looks is shallow too, just as shallow as money. You could argue that having no real acquaintance with some one that this isn't shallow at all.

Thoughts?

Thanks you

[Che]

How about some girls just like cars? What does that have to do with men? If you gave me that survey, being a male, I'd pick the Ferrari's over the Toyota Prius' too.

And the girls who are talking about the guy who has the "nice car" and then they show the piece of shit "hooked up" car, they're retarded. That car is hilariously ugly. Look at the girls rating the guys. None of those girls are anything above a 7/10 to me. Look at the last girl in the clip. She's not th e most attractive girl in the world, and neither is that guy (according to me). It's all about what you are attracted to, and then of course being able to support yourself and a family is going to be more attractive than someone who can't. It's security.

Also, we've known for a long time that men are more physical (in general) than females. Males first look for physical attraction, while sometimes women might not at first.

But really, gold diggers are people who will marry those guys because of their salary, and divorce them and try to take away some of it during the settlement. Or someone who marries solely based on that salary so they can help spend it. That's shallow shit.

It's not shallow to marry someone who's making good money if you aren't just marrying them for the money. But someone making that kind of money says something about that person, and that could be attractive to people.

[palette]

How about some girls just like cars? What does that have to do with men? If you gave me that survey, being a male, I'd pick the Ferrari's over the Toyota Prius' too.

Perhaps the survey was biased.

But someone making that kind of money says something about that person, and that could be attractive to people.

The same could be said for expensive cars a male owns.

None of those girls are anything above a 7/10 to me. Look at the last girl in the clip. She's not th e most attractive girl in the world, and neither is that guy (according to me). It's all about what you are attracted to, and then of course being able to support yourself and a family is going to be more attractive than someone who can't. It's security.

Yes, there are clearly many factors to consider here.
I'm getting older all the time, I do see what you're saying. My rating system isn't as bad as it used to be. I'm looking for something real.

It's just that content of this video makes me curious, mostly about the women being surveyed, possibly women in general. Just interested, really.


Thanks for your opinion.

[Unknown Entity]

I'm sorry, I couldn't take the woman at one minute in the video seriously. That's a gold digger right there.

Me, I'm a female. I'm totally uninterested in the car. I'm more interested in being with someone who makes me happy physically and emotionally. Where does a car come into that? A car or an OMFG pay check won't make me love someone any more or any less. Or any other possession for that matter. I'm not that shallow.

Also, I don't like this whole thing about 'choosing' a partner. Whatever happened to just simply falling in love with someone who makes you happy? Or not wanting to/being able to reproduce? How about gay/lesbian couples?

That short experiment was definitely short. And predictable.

[palette]

I'm sorry, I couldn't take the woman at one minute in the video seriously. That's a gold digger right there.

Me, I'm a female. I'm totally uninterested in the car. I'm more interested in being with someone who makes me happy physically and emotionally. Where does a car come into that? A car or an OMFG pay check won't make me love someone any more or any less. Or any other possession for that matter. I'm not that shallow.

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Also, I don't like this whole thing about 'choosing' a partner. Whatever happened to just simply falling in love with someone who makes you happy? Or not wanting to/being able to reproduce? How about gay/lesbian couples?

I've never been in a love, give and take relationship before.

According to AskMen.com you don't know what you really want as a woman, "creature of nature."

(Link, and below link quoted material from the link)
http://www.askmen.com/dating/curtsmi...ng_advice.html

"If you ask any woman what she's looking for in a man, she'll come out with a long list of ennobling qualities: a sense of humor; a guy who's nice to her and treats her well; good values; a strong moral character, etc.

Uh huh. Right. And she'll leave footprints all over Mr. Sense of Humor as she scrambles to be first in line when an arrogant, philandering, single doctor roars up in his Ferrari."

(AskMen.com)

"Let's be honest -- if women really chose men based on what they say they're looking for, then every nice, average guy out there would be besieged with females trying to go out with him. But nice, average guys generally stay home on the weekends with a date from the back room of the local video store.

Many women lie. They are experts at self-deceit because if they ever admitted to themselves what they really want from men, then they'd be forced to acknowledge that they don't really want a "nice" guy.

The most important reality a man can understand about female behavior is this: never pay attention to what a woman says -- watch what she actually does ." (Ask Men.com)

"And what does she actually do? When it comes to choosing men, she heads straight for the cash. What women want most from men -- and therefore the criterion most significant to them in selecting a mate -- is money.

For the majority of women, dating and marriage are businesses. Women marry up, not down. A man will marry a woman who scrubs the floor at a slaughterhouse if she's nice and pretty enough -- but if she's nice and she's pretty and she's working at the slaughterhouse, you can rest assured she's there because she's got her eye on the owner of the company.

When a woman says all the good ones are taken, she means all the ones with money. The man who changes her oil or checks her groceries might very well be a great guy capable of loving her dearly, but she wouldn't even consider him as a potential suitor because he doesn't have enough earning power.

Some women are blatant about their mercenary choices, openly choosing men with substantial material assets that they can sex-ploit . But most are subconscious hypocrites, screening out less successful men without admitting it to themselves. They publicly announce that all they want is a nice guy, but privately disregard any men who don't meet their elevated standards for money, success, and status.

There's proof that all they want is money"

(Ask Men.com)

"In one breath they proclaim, "I don't care how much money a man makes. I can make my own money," and in the next, "But whoever I date has to have a status (read: money) job." All other men without this "status job," no matter how nice, intelligent or funny, will be ignored.

The flagrant hypocrisy is brushed under the carpet. The only reason a woman will choose a man without money is if he's on the fast track to a high-earning career -- she views this as an investment of her time and a payment plan for the use of her female goods.

Clinical studies, conducted by Robert Trivers et al., show that women value financial prospects about twice as highly as men do, having higher standards regarding financial prospects at all stages of a relationship. In fact, in any given year, American men who marry generally earn 50% more money than men of the same age who do not marry."

(AskMen.com)


A site just for men is a in-crowd. In-crowds like to have their own rules. Knowledge is supposed to be power.

Stereotypes and generalizations can be a powerful tool in controlling large numbers of people. It's an art and it takes gifted, creative (intelligent even) writers to do it, but it can be done.

True or not, I remain conscious of the world around me and am able to remain objective to what is presented to me.

Too many people use the internet as a gate way to wisdom.

It's of course left open for speculation, true or not. I personally don't read much of this sort of thing anymore.

That short experiment was definitely short. And predictable.

I know what you mean.

[OceanEyes28]

There are definitely female stereotypes. For most of us (women), they are unfair. Just like there are certainly male stereotypes, most of them unfair. Right, you shallow sex addicted doofuses?

But. Heterosexual women do tend to look for a man who isn't going to be a useless leech. Just like heterosexual men tend to look for women who won't be lardfest harpies (and who will be fertile...). I like to think of it as just looking for another person who will make your life better rather than worse. So.... I sort of understand that aspect of this uh... study.

The video is nice and ridiculous. Shallow people are just shallow, it's not gender specific.



For me, "powerful" and "masculine" cars are a red flag. Huge one. Bright red. Like dude's dumbass car.

[Che]

Can we please not quote advice from magazines and/or online dating advice websites?

****ing horrible shit in those magazines.

[palette]

Can we please not quote advice from magazines and/or online dating advice websites?

****ing horrible shit in those magazines.

I thought it was necessary to show the other side, further developed.

There are definitely female stereotypes. For most of us (women), they are unfair. Just like there are certainly male stereotypes, most of them unfair. Right, you shallow sex addicted doofuses?

I agree.
There is some truth to many stereotypes, however. This could possibly give writers "credit" when creating facts out of self evident truths.

But. Heterosexual women do tend to look for a man who isn't going to be a useless leech. Just like heterosexual men tend to look for women who won't be lardfest harpies (and who will be fertile...). I like to think of it as just looking for another person who will make your life better rather than worse. So.... I sort of understand that aspect of this uh... study.

I can see that.
Though I also personally believe that a superficial world is constantly thrust on us to create an image of what we are and will be, and in that order what we should be.

The video is nice and ridiculous. Shallow people are just shallow, it's not gender specific.

I agree. I'm glad that you feel that way.

[Maridia]

There's girls that want money and will do what it takes to get theirs. And theirs guys who would do the exact same. If a guy wears a t shirt 2 times too small and drives a ***** magnet 911 porsche to get some girls, who in turn she's using him to take his money isn't the universe just balancing itself out?

As Alanzo in Training Day said let the garbage men handle the garbage. We're professional anglers.

[Furore]

I can tell you quite honestly that more girls decided to take an interest in me about the time I started splashing money around more, so there might be some truth to a lot of girls desiring money.

On the same note though, you do get guys who try to leech off girls with a decent job. I had to help my mate get rid of one just the other week...
God damn lazy parasites. (And that's coming from me).

[palette]

There's girls that want money and will do what it takes to get theirs. And theirs guys who would do the exact same. If a guy wears a t shirt 2 times too small and drives a ***** magnet 911 porsche to get some girls, who in turn she's using him to take his money isn't the universe just balancing itself out?

As Alanzo in Training Day said let the garbage men handle the garbage. We're professional anglers.

Two wrongs don't necessarily make a right, but point well taken.

I can tell you quite honestly that more girls decided to take an interest in me about the time I started splashing money around more, so there might be some truth to a lot of girls desiring money.

On the same note though, you do get guys who try to leech off girls with a decent job. I had to help my mate get rid of one just the other week...
God damn lazy parasites. (And that's coming from me).

Well, every stereotype has some truth in it, other wise it would be a lie and people would soon forget it. People can manipulate others easily by telling them that they see what they believe they see.

I've looked into this a little further. Ladies and gents may also find this interesting.

Women like to feel reassured. Women like to be appreciated and they like compliments. Women like to feel secure. Women love it when a guy smiles.They like considerate men.Women like a sensual experience. Romance would best be described as a experience that offers touch, smell, sight, sound.

Women like it when you smell good and look clean. (Which definitely isn't today! )

Women want you to WANT them.

Am I getting warmer?

Responses

Bingo...

Yeah ,you are always hot, physically speaking.

You forgot one thing. Modern women want to control what men think about.

No sweety, you're way far off.

For starters, who brainwashed you to think that men are supposed to care about "what women like"?

• Its not a man's responsibility to give you "whatever you say you like".
Could you imagine if it were? What a nightmare!

• It's not a man's job to raise your self-esteem.
That's why its CALLED "SELF" esteem.

• You want to be appreciated? Then bring something else to the table besides a list of outrageous demands and expectations you think some idiot is supposed to jump through hoops to live up to.... just so you can say "aw, how sweet! Look what I can make him do!!"

You should really get a puppy for that.

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Snap out of it.

Do women give a flying fcuk what MEN want???
Then maybe it's time you girls STFU and sleep in the bed you made.



Foreign women only.

NOW you're gettin' warmer.

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While women like "Softi" (below) love to shame men and pretend we "FEAR" a relationship and the *challenges* (interesting word by the way)...... Someone needs to remind her there is a big difference between BRAVERY and STUPIDITY.

The only risk a reasonable person is willing to take is a CALCULATED risk.
One weighs the costs and benefits of those risks.

As it is men are finding out that women FAIL a cost / benefit analysis in marriages and "relationships".

That's not "fear".
That's sensible.

It doesn't require "courage" to get involved in *challenging* relationships with women like her.

It requires ----->>> STUPIDITY.

Cool, i would also like to know.
Well, i would say, this is debatable.Depending on the type of society you heal from.
Men of today seem to be afraid of the challenges that come with relationships so they fear to WANT the women fully.

Thanks for sharing dear

"The Man" (A metaphor for our discussion), still has a very full argument. I'd like to hear how you all respond to this little exchange ^_^

[Furore]

I think The Man raises a good point. If a woman wants a little bitch they should buy a literal little bitch.

Maybe I'm an asshole but I sure as hell ain't complaining about the extra attention. I know there's nothing honest to any of it but some illusions are that comfortable they're very easy to live with.

Supposing I do eventually end up with the one right woman I would do anything reasonable for her and remain loyal, but I'd expect the same and would hate to realise she was just in it for cash or something. Love's a two way street, anyone who thinks otherwise might as well be that proverbial puppy.

[palette]

I think The Man raises a good point. If a woman wants a little bitch they should buy a literal little bitch.

Maybe I'm an asshole but I sure as hell ain't complaining about the extra attention. I know there's nothing honest to any of it but some illusions are that comfortable they're very easy to live with.

Supposing I do eventually end up with the one right woman I would do anything reasonable for her and remain loyal, but I'd expect the same and would hate to realise she was just in it for cash or something. Love's a two way street, anyone who thinks otherwise might as well be that proverbial puppy.

I personally think he is a little over dramatic.
It's easy to get your thoughts out clearly and affectionately when you're an extremist... Most things in life come in moderation.

I'm not sure if the right woman wouldn't care what you're thinking. (For one thing)
Most experts believe that communication is very important to a relationship. Which would certainly include your feelings and thoughts. This sort of exercise
or behavior certainly covers a woman's insecurities, thoughts and feelings.

I think that a descent man should make a effort to be there for his woman, in moderation.
Women have feelings and should be treated like human beings. In many cases the woman gets what she gives. It is a two way street.

Why some men complain could be considered selfish, in nature. To quote a woman:

I hear this kinda crap so much here!

ladies!...... Just seduce your men! Want something from them? Give them a bj! WHAT--You say! That's just what they want!

Well, duh! Give them what they want, and they'll give you want YOU want. Most women think it works the other way around--it doesn't--haven't you noticed?

Get on your knees and get to work! They won't know what hit them! While you've got their attention, don't forget, we got needs too! Whoo-hoo!

[Furore]

That doesn't sound like the healthiest relationship to me (could be the damn Christian programming though ). Sex and sexual acts can go a long way, but they'll still only take you so far on their own. Money's much the same.

I also notice a lot of the older folks I know mentioning immoral attitudes and a lack of respect being behind the higher divorce rates and the like these days. I'm not sure I'd completely agree with that sentiment as there could be other factors involved (such as the ease of getting divorced), but I do think there's something to be said for the lack of respect part.

[palette]

That doesn't sound like the healthiest relationship to me (could be the damn Christian programming though ). Sex and sexual acts can go a long way, but they'll still only take you so far on their own. Money's much the same.

I also notice a lot of the older folks I know mentioning immoral attitudes and a lack of respect being behind the higher divorce rates and the like these days. I'm not sure I'd completely agree with that sentiment as there could be other factors involved (such as the ease of getting divorced), but I do think there's something to be said for the lack of respect part.

Some times it's difficult to judge what's right or wrong for some one else. Lots of males need and want sex. I personally wouldn't call it a "sexual act".

I'd like to think of it as two consenting adults giving into each other's wants and needs. That's how I see it, regardless of how Jenny may make it sound.

It's easy to see sex as a weapon, something that's degrading.

I believe communication is very important to a relationship. Some people believe that sex is very important to a relationship too. Some couples won't even get together if the sex isn't good, and or, periodic.


I agree with you that respect is an issue today. Which is one reason why I think things need to be considered with your own mind. It's not hard to discover for yourself how to respect others, and how to think on your own two feet. Perhaps people's inability to think on their own has lead to all these relationship problems and divorce.

The internet and the selective media has shown us, told us, how we think for so long that I'm not sure if we think how we truly think anymore.

[OceanEyes28]

Sex is ****ing beautiful and people who let religion get in the way of that are missing OUT. Same goes for people who think it has to be kinky and anonymous to be exciting. But I do agree that sex is only a fraction of what makes up a good relationship.


I think that both genders can get a little crazypants when it comes to sharing opinions about relationships and how they should go. I try not to argue and just use these conversations, when I have them, as an indicator of what future discussions would be like, should I engage that person in a relationship (or a second date... or another conversation). As a person who is also a woman, yes, I do like to be appreciated for who I am and what I bring to a relationship. If I'm seriously involved with someone, I'm going to be in a pretty vulnerable position. I've got my own self esteem, sure, but when I'm that exposed to another human being, I need to be reassured that I'm making a good decision. I don't need my partner to carry on and on about how great I am and embarrass me, but I do need him to be nice. Genuinely nice, not "what do you want?" nice. He will find that I am very nice in return.

If the man I'm speaking to gets defensive about these demands ("demands" doesn't have a great connotation, but if I'm honest, that's what they are) and spouts off the nonsense you quoted from "The Man" above, I know all I need to know. If he can't see me as a peer, as someone who should be treated with kindness and respect - if all he sees is "another needy woman" - then I'll let that be it. There are plenty of men out there who do treat women well, and I'm smart enough to know the difference.

[palette]

Sex is ****ing beautiful and people who let religion get in the way of that are missing OUT. Same goes for people who think it has to be kinky and anonymous to be exciting. But I do agree that sex is only a fraction of what makes up a good relationship.

I'm a virgin, so my views on sex aren't actually based on sex. My religion has no say over it too, there in.
I'm very interested in different views on the subject.

I think that both genders can get a little crazypants when it comes to sharing opinions about relationships and how they should go. I try not to argue and just use these conversations, when I have them, as an indicator of what future discussions would be like, should I engage that person in a relationship (or a second date... or another conversation).

I think it's good to be able to see things like that. Everyone has there own place in the world and they shouldn't argue that.
However, I feel that everyone has the right to hypothetically disagree/ agree with a person, too.

It's my personal belief that you don't have agree with some one to come to a agreement. I also believe that you don't have to disagree with some one to come to a disagreement. I think to have a worth while discussion with that person you just need to be a good listener.

From what I've noticed, people learn more about one another and also their selves.

As a person who is also a woman, yes, I do like to be appreciated for who I am and what I bring to a relationship. If I'm seriously involved with someone, I'm going to be in a pretty vulnerable position. I've got my own self esteem, sure, but when I'm that exposed to another human being, I need to be reassured that I'm making a good decision. I don't need my partner to carry on and on about how great I am and embarrass me, but I do need him to be nice. Genuinely nice, not "what do you want?" nice. He will find that I am very nice in return.

I'd say that's very natural too. Even back as far as silent movies in 1929, women have always been portrayed with a very strong will and proved to be instrumental to men. Men the same to women. Both have needed reassurance, both provided reassurance. (I watch silent movies, an example would be ,The Farmer's Wife- Alfred Hitchcock)

At least that's what I've gotten out of it...

If the man I'm speaking to gets defensive about these demands ("demands" doesn't have a great connotation, but if I'm honest, that's what they are) and spouts off the nonsense you quoted from "The Man" above, I know all I need to know. If he can't see me as a peer, as someone who should be treated with kindness and respect - if all he sees is "another needy woman" - then I'll let that be it. There are plenty of men out there who do treat women well, and I'm smart enough to know the difference.

Another personal opinion is that we are inherently born with the potential to be individuals. I don't think it's in our personalities to hurt others and mistreat others for our differences. I think that it's all purely socially constructed.

Generally people who treat others like that, or see others like that. Are offensive, and degrading. They most likely have poor communicational skills, and security issues of their own.I don't think it's healthy at all to see some one as "another needy woman", or to believe that she "doesn't give a flying *you know what* about what you're thinking".
I think it's appropriate and open minded to converse with these people, and even disagree with them. I don't think it's necessary to insult them for their opinions, but some one may find their opinions offensive.

It's easy to accept others for what they are when you're truly and honestly secure with yourself.

[OceanEyes28]

I'm sorry this won't be a direct response to your most recent post, but I'm on my way out the door. However, I did skim through that Zero Tolerance website and there were some unfortunate naked breasts right there on the front page. Along with a baby sucking a nipple. And the bright red and blue text is definitely NSFW. I don't know if you knew about the naked breasts, so I'm not going to give you a warning. But I'm removing the link. Just be aware of our NSFW rules.

That website, though... that's the stuff serial killers are made of. Really whiney serial killers. Good lord.

[palette]

I'm sorry this won't be a direct response to your most recent post, but I'm on my way out the door. However, I did skim through that Zero Tolerance website and there were some unfortunate naked breasts right there on the front page. Along with a baby sucking a nipple. And the bright red and blue text is definitely NSFW. I don't know if you knew about the naked breasts, so I'm not going to give you a warning. But I'm removing the link. Just be aware of our NSFW rules.

That website, though... that's the stuff serial killers are made of. Really whiney serial killers. Good lord.

I didn't know. I'll take that under advisement, thanks! I agree about the serial killers...