Old lady abused on bus by school kids.

[Hobaginator]

She should have used her pepperspray the instant they touched her instead of letting a pack of nuts-haven't-dropped-yet 10 year olds bully her to tears. What I saw in this video was nature: indifference-- in nature the strong thrive and the weak get trampled. Its her own fault she let herself become a victim. It doesn't take but 60 decibles and a shame on you to make a 10 year old cry for mommy. She volenteered to be a bus monitor, maybe she should behave with some authority instead of letting herself get pushed around. Or just stick to friggin' bake sales where she belongs.

Off topic: Its funny that all the pencil necks on the internet talk smack to Order when they wouldn't in real life. I know him. Nobody disrespects him face to face. The last person that did has 60% less hearing in his left ear. True story. Think about that when you mouth breathers look in the mirror and contemplate diet pills and enzyte.

[Dranzer]

^ Sticks and stones may break my bones, but chains and whips excite me?

@Michael: Unfortunately, I would have to question the sincerity of their apology. It certainly makes me wonder if people didn't react the way they did, would they really feel a need to apologize? That's debatable. Regardless, it's nice that they did so even if it was half-assed, but she deserves sincerity in the least. As for the donations that's wonderful news, I have to admit a trip to Disney seems slightly over the top, but amazing nonetheless.

Really Hobaginator? It's her fault she became the victim? You do realize that if she did react in an "appropriate" manner there would have been a lawsuit. She behaved quite ethically. I think that might have been a point in the OP as well, do you think she should have had the right to discipline those students with pepper spray or other form of discipline of a physical nature?

Also, if you haven't noticed, human beings have done a fine job at separating ourselves from nature, so how do you apply that kind if logic to an altercation on a school bus, which is an unnatural thing in itself..

A majority of our laws have nothing to do with nature, I might add; if she used perpperspray or hit them she'd be in jail and those asses would then be the victims.

[seanb]

I know him.

you poor thing

Nobody disrespects him face to face. The last person that did has 60% less hearing in his left ear.

that's probably the effect his bullshit has on peoples hearing abilities. like verbal acid

[Yoko]

I sniff a multiple account.

None of us here have disrespected Order in the way you seem to think we have. Sure, there is a difference of opinion, but we are merely stating facts. If he takes offense to it, he should get off the internet.

Dranzer put it right. If she had done anything back to them, she might have had criminal charges against her as well. There's self defense, then there's anger. Being there's a fine line between the two, it would have been better that she stayed 'silent'. She did try to diffuse the situation. Ignore it in a sense. Those guys just wouldn't give it up though. Sad. Also, who knows. If the lady acted out, Do you think the boys would have taken a more defensive stance as well? They could have gotten more aggressive. You never know. Be thankful that no one was physically injured.

The lady questions why people are supporting her. The answer is simple. I think a lot of us want to show that there are loving people in the world. We want to help her as much as we can. Everyone was saddened/touched by the video. No one would wish this kind of behavior on anyone.

One thing that I love. Southwest donated that trip to Disneyland. It's something I would have expected from the airline that has a big heart as their logo. I love Southwest even more now. Just thought I'd point that out

Back to the OP. If there's one punishment these guys should get, it's just knowing that if this does happen again and they're the instigators, I just want them to know that next time, the world won't be so easy on them. And the world doesn't even have to do anything. I think it's their parents that they have to be afraid of most. it isn't about capital or corporal punishment. They're still young. Community Service or something along those lines would be good for them. Give them a taste of what the world is like. I don't really see community service as a bad punishment though. I love helping the community.

[che]

Still haven't watched the video, dont plan to.

Then shut the **** up.

Back to the video, absolutely appalling to think that some kids think this is an acceptable way to treat someone. Also, the bus driver or aid or whatever should be able to take control of situations like this, as it is a potential threat to safety of the people riding the bus. Even if they are just name-calling.

She should have used her pepperspray the instant they touched her instead of letting a pack of nuts-haven't-dropped-yet 10 year olds bully her to tears.

Absolutely ridiculous that someone would have to do this. If anything she should have reported them to the bus driver, or brought their attention to it and the bus driver should have handled the privileged riders on his bus that are receiving optional transportation. And if the transportation wasn't optional, then they should lose their right to transportation because of this incident.

What I saw in this video was nature: indifference-- in nature the strong thrive and the weak get trampled. Its her own fault she let herself become a victim. It doesn't take but 60 decibles and a shame on you to make a 10 year old cry for mommy.

Yeah, maybe she could but she doesn't have to.

They were mostly making fun of her for being overweight. So she let herself become the victim by becoming overweight? Can you prove this? Some people have medical conditions which make them overweight. In any case, that's a pretty weak ****ing excuse, sir.


And what could that possibly teach those kids? That they need to find some better insults so that next time an elderly woman won't best them? Not a great solution whatsoever.

She volenteered to be a bus monitor, maybe she should behave with some authority instead of letting herself get pushed around. Or just stick to friggin' bake sales where she belongs.

Or maybe these kids should be taught that it's not okay to be asshats to people who don't deserve it.

Off topic: Its funny that all the pencil necks on the internet talk smack to Order when they wouldn't in real life. I know him. Nobody disrespects him face to face. The last person that did has 60% less hearing in his left ear. True story. Think about that when you mouth breathers look in the mirror and contemplate diet pills and enzyte.

Nobody gives a shit if you know him in real life, or if I'd even say what I am gonna say to his face or not. It's the internet. Yeah, I might choose to not say some of this shit to his face, but he's still an arrogant jackass and I'm saying it right here. What are YOU gonna do about it?

[Hobaginator]

if you haven't noticed, human beings have done a fine job at separating ourselves from nature

If you say so.

Order is my older brother. I've ****ed people up for getting in his face, and honestly, you guys are acting just like those kids on the bus. The only difference is: she's a fat old bus monitor -- and Order has an opinion that you guys don't understand or identify with. The end result is the same, kids acting like f***nuts on the internet at someone else's expense. Telling him to shut the **** up? I've knocked c***suckers out for less.

Just wanted to point out that you wussies are exactly the same as the kids on the bus. F***ing punks. Safe behind your moniter to disrespect my brother.

I promise Order doesn't give two turds on a purple turtle about your opion, but mind the fact that -I- do care about the whole lot of you punk a** kids disrespecting him. Where's his trip to disney?

Now all of you hypocrites go hypo-CRIT yourselves and make the world a better place.

Multiple accounts? Just because you're too small minded to understand that the world can turn a man cold and callous to the bulls*** doesn't mean that it's okay to team up on him and act like a bunch of kids on a bus. I know why he has the attitude he does. I simply ask that you pussbuckets back off because nothing gets me angrier than people who attack or disrespect my family.

Thank you for participating in this case study and proving that with the right stimulus, the "righteous" and "caring" population can become a pack of goddam wolves. F***in' weak-minded, lazy, mud-sucking keyboard crusading hypocrites... All of you who insulted Order, you're the f***ing same as those bus kids. EXACT same.

/point conveyed

and F this off topic garbage.

[OceanEyes28]

Let's keep the personal attacks to a minimum, shall we?

[Merlin]

I'm curious what the bus driver was doing this whole time. When I was in school, if people even got up from their seat an inch, the drivers would pull the bus over and threaten to drive their asses back to school and leave them. And trust me, they could be a block away from your house and WOULD drive all the way back to school and parents would have to come pick them up.

Now, if this was in the morning that is a little more tricky. You can't dump them off on the street. But you can easily get all of their names (my drivers were required by law to be able to identify every student who got on the bus) and had them all suspended that day.

Of course, that was years ago and in a different place. I'm still curious why the bus driver apparently did nothing at all.

[che]

I'm curious what the bus driver was doing this whole time. When I was in school, if people even got up from their seat an inch, the drivers would pull the bus over and threaten to drive their asses back to school and leave them. And trust me, they could be a block away from your house and WOULD drive all the way back to school and parents would have to come pick them up.

Now, if this was in the morning that is a little more tricky. You can't dump them off on the street. But you can easily get all of their names (my drivers were required by law to be able to identify every student who got on the bus) and had them all suspended that day.

Of course, that was years ago and in a different place. I'm still curious why the bus driver apparently did nothing at all.

A lot of times I think they can't really perceive whats going on behind them on the bus because they're paying attention to driving. Also, I think at some parts of the video I couldn't hear the elderly woman even. It seemed like they were being pretty quiet compared to the rest of the crowd, yet the microphone (since they were close) picked up what they were saying to her pretty clearly.

But yeah, I wondered the same thing as I watched it.

[Yoko]

Odd, I didn't think of it when I watched it, but Just remembering to when I used to take a bus (long time ago), I remember the bus driver yelling when we started to act up. I guess that's where the role of the bus monitor comes in (RK speculation TIME!!!). Instead of the driver having to constantly check on students all the time, they hired a bus monitor to do it. That way the bus driver can focus on the road and not get distracted. It makes sense if you look at it that way. On the other end, if the driver noticed there was something happening to the MONITOR, they should have said something. Yelled if anything. I remember when the bus driver yelled, we all shut the **** up really quick. She was nice, but man, she could yell.

There must have been some REALLY INTERESTING traffic for the driver to not notice anything.

[Martin]

I have to say this and I know it's off topic but if Order doesn't care what we say which he's said as much then why would he care about being 'picked on'? And his brother is basically sticking up for him when he's made it clear he says what he does because he's intrigued to see how people react - the anonymity of the internet. The pair of you or one of you have hijacked this and this little tirade from you/both is shameful. I won't be commenting here again. And this rubbish is filling TFF to the extent I'm in two minds whether to log back in on here ever again.

[Cyanist]

What I feel like doing most is sending this lady a kind message at the least.

What I feel like doing most is sending those kids a little 'message' Anyone know their e-mail addresses? (just kidding) but why send the lady to Disneyland, where she'll have MORE hideous kids zooming around her? Isn't that like sending a stab victim to a knife store? It's a good idea for publicity, I guess...

About that apology, I highly doubt the kids meant it, but it must've been pretty embarrassing for them, all the publicity and all that. Prediction: Either they'll spend the rest of their days as quiet-saints, or become fame-addicted rap-artists.

On the subject of Order. Why on earth is everyone so sensitive? I mean the guy WAS a bully. Among his somewhat obscure ranting, he was telling you the reasons he did that in his youth, it's obviously the same with those kids. If we can muddle through the inner workings of his bully-type brain, maybe we'll find the cure?

[Martin]

On the subject of Order. Why on earth is everyone so sensitive? I mean the guy WAS a bully. Among his somewhat obscure ranting, he was telling you the reasons he did that in his youth, it's obviously the same with those kids. If we can muddle through the inner workings of his bully-type brain, maybe we'll find the cure?

I don't necessarily think it's oversensitivity as a touch of hypocrisy on his/their part and it riled me. Still does.

And GC is for open discussion, whereas the brothers' numerous responses were closed or at least close-minded.

[SOLDIER #819]

Someone may want to close this thread before it blows up again.

Those kids are idiots. But then, they're just saying the things that most people reserve for gossip. I had a teacher like that lady in middle school, and got to hear this sort of shit all the time when she out of an earshot. That was because she was older. If it was someone their own age they'd just say it, whether it was because they were fat, or in special ed, or whatever... Ridiculous.

[Merlin]

I'm not against people choosing what their job is, but you really need to be a hardass to be a bus driver or a monitor. Being sweet doesn't work. Threaten to stop that bus and haul their ass back to school(and actually DO it) and most kids straighten the hell up. Only the die hard assholes will continue.

These kids want to challenge authority to see how far they can get and the laws are designed to let them. Stop treating kids like precious snowflakes and start whipping their ass with a switch.

[Hobaginator]

See the problem here is that Order and I are jocks on the internet. Order gives his honest opinion (not two sh*ts), and I rant and rage about not being able to punch alla-you faces in because it's the internet. And you nerds continue to type your hair-brained opinions because when you go to your job you let your boss bend you over and ream you, and every relationship you've ever had has either been with yourself, another dude or you've let a girl walk all over you and you're jaded. Your nerd rage makes me laugh, and your nerd tears are delicious. That's not intended to flame, troll, or whatever... just an observation of personality types such as yourselves.

Martin, you're clearly dealing with too much estrogen in the system. That's not mine or Order's fault. Get your d*** sucked.

Che, come on, you're gay. You don't even get an opinion. I doubt you'd be able to even enjoy female company at this point. You're mixed up in the head. If you ever came my way and took a good punch to the dome, that might actually end up fixing some of that bad wiring.

Me? I mostly just punch faces. So I'm content with the knowledge that I'm physically tougher, mentally sharper, more socially adept and all around better than the word-warriors of the interwebs. Survival of the fittest is why I love God's green Earth. Thanks, God, by the way, for making me so god damn amazing.

Simply put, this lady was instulted, provoked, driven to tears, prodded physically and threatened with words of a knife. She should have done something about it instead of sitting there and taking it in the a** with a rape face on from a bunch of wiry little, high pitched, old lady abusing douchebags.

The truth of the matter is she was simply to weak and lazy to burn 14 calories shaking her finger at them.

Those of you who identify with the geezer, well you obviously have unresolved issues from being picked on yourself in the past. Admit it. You see yourself in that old bint, that's why that video outraged and upset you. What you see, is weakness. Weakness has a place. The victim role must be filled.

If you wanted peace, you wouldn't cry for revenge. You simply want a different victim.

You may not want to admit it, but all of you have the capacity to be just as brutal and blood thirsty as an alligator. The higher brain functions are where human being's apparent compassion, empathy, emotion, art, love, sorrow etc all originate. The higher brain is what makes us 'human'. The higher brain wraps around a more primitive brain that is similar to a reptile's. This 'lower brain' is where rage, fear, desire, hunger and other similar brain functions originate. You use it when you eat a hamburger (or when you whack off to cartoons) for example. All human beings possess the ability to 'turn off' their higher brain in order to do things such as kill another living thing or defend ones self. The 'lower brain' is where all your power resides. When you know how to use it, you can do anything... almost like your body operates on it's own. Don't fight it... embrace it. That is when you become strong willed; a survivor. No remorse.

Just a lil tip in case you ever find yourself cornered, and forced to take a life... the soap box that I preach from is one of experience.

Nature is indifferent. I'm indifferent. The only thing I care about is survival of the fittest, and that includes myself and my family. I agree with Order, screw the old bitch, she's probably a millionaire by now anyway. Waste of money if you ask me. If you donated to her, then screw you too. There's sick and starving kids out there, people with REAL problems. $400,000 could build 32 schools in Africa at $12,500 each, or could feed 487,804 families of four at 82 cents per family, in India (where polio is still rampant and crippling) $400,000 could administer 666,666 polio vaccinations at 60 cents per dose. I've checked my numbers, they're correct. And what do numb-nuts Americans spend their money on? Some old bitch who's gonna die soon anyway just because she got picked on by some kids. God damn. Sorry you got your feelings hurt, here's a sh!tload of sh!t you don't need. F*ck the people who NEED that money, they're not white anyways. Am I right? hahaha

Get your heads out of your @sses and look around. You people make me sick. If you donated money to that old piece of trash, I wish I could wipe your pointless existence from the face of the Earth simply for the fact that you're a useless piece of garbage.

Again, this post was not meant to troll, harrass or flame. It was simply an observation, an honest opinion, and factual information with the intention of OPENING YOUR F***ING EYES. Thank you for your time.

[OceanEyes28]

Haha jeeze, you guys. Fine, I'm with S on this one. Thread closed. Let it go, everyone.