Pro-Life or Pro-Choice?

[Sinister]

So im marginilizing people now? Can you please stop with your assertions, they make me look bad and suposedly I already do a good job of that.

I did not assert, I inferred. We do need a dictionary at this debate.

And please, souls? really?

I chose my metaphor, don't like it, choose yours. Conscience, I believe is the reigning secular term. Either way it is a decision that belongs to each individual situation and person. The point of morality is that it belongs to the person who owns it. Ever hear of Loki's Wager? There are somethings that will never be agreed upon...the definition of life...the definition of death. Until then, it's best left to the philosophers or each individual person.

Yes, because we all know you had the best of intentions when you started down this road with me.

Well, we all know what use good intentions are...

-Sin

[Rowan]

I chose my metaphor, don't like it, choose yours. Conscience, I believe is the reigning secular term. Either way it is a decision that belongs to each individual situation and person. The point of morality is that it belongs to the person who owns it. Ever hear of Loki's Wager? There are somethings that will never be agreed upon...the definition of life...the definition of death. Until then, it's best left to the philosophers or each individual person.

-Sin

This^

Okay, at what point is the soul (or conscience) inserted into the fetus? It seems like the basis for your argument relies heavily on the unborns awareness of itself. I could settle on outlawing abortions when the mother is 6 months + In, because then it has become an irresponsibilty on behalf of her and now the fetus has come to a point in which it may have either of the aforementioned qualities of human and therefor, a right to live. A choice.

[Sinister]

This^

Okay, at what point is the soul (or conscience) inserted into the fetus? It seems like the basis for your argument relies heavily on the unborns awareness of itself. I could settle on outlawing abortions when the mother is 6 months + In, because then it has become an irresponsibilty on behalf of her and now the fetus has come to a point in which it may have either of the aforementioned qualities of human and therefor, a right to live. A choice.

Oh, I don't pretend to state that souls or conscience, or consciousness, for that matter, is my basis for defining life. Such a thing would never be provable within the foreseeable future and (with regards to souls)may not even be true. I have no idea and no intention of using my religion to back up my beliefs about abortion. My basis for declaring something alive is simply that two people combine and at some point it results in a couple of cells that are genetically unique. The potentiality of making a unique organism has, at that point, been realized. But these, once again, are merely personal beliefs. It is up to everyone to make their choice and to deal with it.

I don't even like killing spiders or bugs. I'm not morally up to killing unique cells which are people or people-in-the-making.

-Sin