Is commiting suicide a selfish personal act

**Judge Magistrate** · 08-27-2011, 08:17 AM

I thinkl the people who actually commit suicide are selfish the ones who only have thoughts still have a chance to be saved. I've lost two friends because they wouldn't let anyone know about their problem to help them. I have been able to help one of my friends because I learned of his suicide plans and thus was able to stop him. Now he doesn't have that problem anymore.

I don't think any less of anyone who had thoughts of suicide, it's those that actually follow through with it that I look down on. They just don't seem to realize what an impact it will have on those that knew them or their own families.

**Heartless Angel** · 08-27-2011, 11:22 AM

Can't speak for anyone else, but when I was having issues, I kept them to myself. At the time, asking for help, whining and asking for somebody to hold my hand, wasting everyone else's time helping me with my stupidity, THAT seemed selfish. Suicide seemed like a way to handle things without involving others. In retrospect, that line of reasoning is clearly illogical, but again, when you're in that situation, your thoughts are far from rational to begin with, and it's not at all difficult to see where some may reach the same conclusion I did at the time. It's not that they don't care that they're hurting other people, but that they don't even realize it. To me it seemed like the route that would affect those around me the least. Looking at it now with a less screwed up thought process, I of course come to another conclusion entirely.

**Yoko** · 08-27-2011, 08:31 PM

Belle, I said that in fear of things getting out of hand. Since that hasn't been the case, there's no need to apologize. This conversation is actually going quite nicely. What else might you be looking for?

Originally Posted by Heartless Angel

Can't speak for anyone else, but when I was having issues, I kept them to myself. At the time, asking for help, whining and asking for somebody to hold my hand, wasting everyone else's time helping me with my stupidity, THAT seemed selfish. Suicide seemed like a way to handle things without involving others. In retrospect, that line of reasoning is clearly illogical, but again, when you're in that situation, your thoughts are far from rational to begin with, and it's not at all difficult to see where some may reach the same conclusion I did at the time. It's not that they don't care that they're hurting other people, but that they don't even realize it. To me it seemed like the route that would affect those around me the least. Looking at it now with a less screwed up thought process, I of course come to another conclusion entirely.

You might not be able to speak for others, but I can definitely speak for myself. I was the exact same way. Asking for help was probably the last thing on my mind. Dragging other people into my mess wasn't one of the things I wanted to do. It all comes with the messed up mental state. Looking back now I definitely see where I went wrong. And I sure as hell am glad I was able to get out of it.

I also hope that when others see this, they really do ask for help. Help can do wonders. You just need to ask.