Just wanted to say that with people in that state of mind, it is not an easy thing to 'get' them help. Whether they have mental illness or not (I'd say feeling out of touch with life itself, is a form of mental illness imo), you cannot make anyone, make that choice to get help. You can't gently encourage or get angry and tell them they have to snap the f*ck out of it. That s*it, just does not work. It doesn't mean you don't try or don't support them. But do so knowing, you cannot make that happen for them. I can understand the anger and grief of living with a person like that, of losing them. But you must understand, that they are in the worst state of mind imaginable, to the point of considering taking their own life. They cannot see what you see. They are blinded by their own thought process at the time.

It's sad I know, it's complex. But these people have to be ready for the change and not everyone is ready for it. Not everyone is in the right frame of mind, to make that decision. It may take months, it make take years, they may need to actually make that step and make an attempt on their own life and somehow survive, to see that f*cking light. Talking about suicide only in this case, but that refers to all mental illness and some basic life decisions, minus the taking of own life part. Sadly, for some people, that readiness never comes.

Like in your case UE, when your step dad woke up, from what you said, he seemed to realise what he had done and apologised. He had a moment of "Oh s*it, wtf have I done?!" I'm sorry it took an extreme event for him to come to that. But better late than never. Correct me if I'm wrong.

I'm not saying it is right, I'm just saying it is what it is. You can be angry all you like, you cannot always win against someone's negative frame of mind.

I'm not trying to make these people martyrs, I'm just trying to get you to understand, that it is the human condition we are battling here and in some cases, we lose. Instead of being angry, try to understand. Doesn't make your situation mean any more or less. Just try to understand both sides. Life is so fickle. Humans are ridiculously fickle. There will never be a solution to the suicide issue. Only thing we can do, is offer understanding, share our stories and hopefully try to help those in need, if we can.

Each case of suicide is different. Different person, different life, different reasons. There are people who are legit having a really hard time with whatever personal demons they have, those people I have understanding for. Euthanasia, I understand and support that. But what about the people who have commited heinous acts, like murder, rape, all those other despicable crimes?

The tune certainly does change. It's tough to say, after saying all I have said, what I think about that. I guess if people who have no respect for human life and take another life intentionally, or have such disgusting disregard for another and they kill themselves because they can't deal with it, because they got caught and have to go to prison. I guess I'd say, let them. But I'm still thinking about this. So I'm not entirely sure how I feel about it.