Quote Originally Posted by Leon View Post
Forgive me, but I don't think I've ever said she deserved to die. o_o Quite honestly, no one deserves to die but it happens every day. I'm just saying I shouldn't be expected by society to feel sorry for her. If the reason someone killed him/herself was truly tragic, then I would have pity. But then there's someone like Amanda Todd. I just can't bring myself to pity her when there's people who are bullied and feel unloved and unappreciated by those around them. She was young and didn't know how to deal with it, sure, but she really took the easy way out of this one considering the worst that happened to her is humiliation.
Oh! No, not what I meant. Just agreeing with you that the Amanda Todd situation is pretty tangled in people's personal views. More musing on how it brings out two extreme feelings (saintdom, slutdom).

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Quote Originally Posted by Zargabaath View Post
I agree with Martin's free will point. A person trying to deflect their selfishness - in this case bad selfishness - by calling those who comitted/ attempted suicide is the real person who disregards how another feels. Would rather them continue in their current state of mind/livlihood.
And THIS is what I was talking about in my first response to Martin's reply. I honestly don't know where anyone in this thread said that they wanted their loved ones to stay in some sort of torment and personal hell and pain! That's where I came in with how I wanted my FIL to get help, to work through the issues.

ETA - So which is it? Intervene and potentially deny a person their free will, or back off and respect their decision?

I will always fight for a person, intervene, get them help, work with them, use every resource available to help them! But somehow that's coming across as a bad thing and that its denying them their free will. And yes, I can only use my situations with what I would do. I can't comment on anyone else's because I'm not arrogant enough to think I know the situations.