Uncharted 2 and Red Dead Redemption are ****ing awesome games. I not once had a problem with the controls, which aren't as problematic as you're claiming.

The first Uncharted game was excellent, but you only noticed that the controls were iffy when you played the second game, when the improvements were quite dramatic, really. The graphics was greatly improved in the second game too, which made it the best out of the two in my opinion, and I'm really excited about the third game to see if more has been improved.

The only things that I didn't like about them was that they were too short, and could be completed in perhaps ten hours on Crushing if you know what you're doing. Also, getting online does take a while, but it's a lot of fun when you're actually on.

I've platinum'd both Uncharted games too, so I've spent enough time with these games to know them more or less inside out, and know what you're claiming is pretty false. I wouldn't have bothered if they were a nightmare to control.

As for Red Dead Redemption - the controls are realistic - watch the movements, learn to roll, etc... I found GTA IV no different. Just because you can't do a backflip and shoot things at the same time, doesn't mean the controls are shite.

There's no lag out of the millions of times I've played it (again, another platinum I own as of the other night), so you might want to check your internet speed. There's been a couple of times I've been booted from free roam due to loss of connectivity with other players, but that's so rare, it's ridiculous to mention.

And if I make a "bad" game, and someone comes after my family and hurts them, they'll suffer - there wouldn't be a corner to hide in.