Quote Originally Posted by Jin View Post
Mass Effect is not a shooter. Come on guys. Fallout 3 is more of a shooter than Mass Effect and that's still not a shooter. Having a gun that you point at things doesn't make a game a shooter. By that logic, Valkyria Chronicles is a shooter and the Tales games are akin to Devil May Cry. Mass Effect is an action RPG.

Also, why is angst always used as a pejorative? How boring would a story be without some sort of angst? Angst does not always mean petty, teenage angst.
I defined it as a shooter based on the premises of what Tiffany had already defined the genre as, having the fact that I read in an interview that Bioware had gotten rid of the aspect of level having any effect on your in aim in the second game in the back of my head. Yet I still disagree with you. Mostly because you seem kind of angry. Valkyria Chronicle is not a shooter by this logic as you have no direct control over the actual shooting. You just go wherever you want, target, and command the character to attack whereupon you're displayed an animation of the character shooting for you. In addition to that the core challenge in the fighting doesn't come from aiming and thinking fast like in Mass Effect and for example Gears of War, but rather from planning. But then again. Who cares. Genres are just evil markting tools anyway.

Quote Originally Posted by Jin View Post
And they still do use dice rolling. Just not a D20 inspired system. All RPGs use virtual dice rolls. That's what makes them RPGs, because they use stats and probability to determine character strength and the outcome of attacks.
But I don't think that was what Loaf was refering to. On second thought, he might have been. In that case I agree with you.

And who is using angsty as a pejorative?