Who is the strongest FF main villain!!

[Xanatos]

First of, don't act like a little impertinent howl you slime.

Villains go by Intellect, then power. I know more about video games in general than you may ever know, Don't reply to this, and another thing, if I upset you, screw you.

Show me why Vayne is so powerful? I never said best, I said powerful.
Vayne shows little power comparative to others. Was he a planetary threat? Hardly, was he a existence threat, not at all. Vayne can not even compare to the intellect several other villains so he isn't in the top, at all, so you fail and I would appreciate if you would NOT act aggressively.

Anyways...

I do not mean to be rude or ignorant in any posts, I just reply to what I see.
What's an Ifs anyways lol

I'm sure you do...

Now, it seems to me that you don't know diference betwen strenght and power, you don't have to be strong to be powerfull. Power comes in many forms, Vayne was head of Arcadian empire, he had an entire army under his command, on his comand many countries have fallen, now that's what I call power.

True, Vayne was far from strong, did that prevent him from achiving his goals, I don't think so. As for his intelect, do not forget that he managed to trick the immortal Ocurians, nation of Ivalice as well, he may be defeated, but unlike many villains he reached his goal. Other villains may had strenght, some had intelect, some both, though acording to you Vayne had none, and yet he succeeded despite those disadvantages, so much for not being in same leauge as other villains.

[Angel of Iniquity]

I'm sure you do...

Now, it seems to me that you don't know diference betwen strenght and power, you don't have to be strong to be powerfull. Power comes in many forms, Vayne was head of Arcadian empire, he had an entire army under his command, on his comand many countries have fallen, now that's what I call power.

True, Vayne was far from strong, did that prevent him from achiving his goals, I don't think so. As for his intelect, do not forget that he managed to trick the immortal Ocurians, nation of Ivalice as well, he may be defeated, but unlike many villains he reached his goal. Other villains may had strenght, some had intelect, some both, though acording to you Vayne had none, and yet he succeeded despite those disadvantages, so much for not being in same leauge as other villains.

I just posted he was smart, and I was looking for a discussion on the most POWERFUL villain, meaning powwweeeeerrrr. By your analysis, Kefka is in the same tier by ruling the world, and had a vast amount of power comparative to Vayne. What I meant is if they were to meet, who would come out as the decisive ruler.
I know it is impossible to choose a clear winner which is why I just stated the top 5 powerful, which could be stated as the existence busting threats, ones who had the ability to end or remove all existence. ANd, his goal wasn't as high as somebody like Sephy or Ulti, I mean really, Sephy wanted something like transferring the life-stream or so(sorry if I'm wrong) and ultimecia wanted to end existence to become a goddess. I'm pretty sure, ulti, for her goal, came closest to achieving a goal that high, and in reality, she did achieve it. It's PIS squall killed her.

Top 5.

Ulti
Ex
Kuja
Sephy- Sorry heartless lol
and can't say the last, maybe Kefka

Oh and, Vayne, place him against sin and Sins force alone would tear him to shreds.

[Xanatos]

I just posted he was smart, and I was looking for a discussion on the most POWERFUL villain, meaning powwweeeeerrrr. By your analysis, Kefka is in the same tier by ruling the world, and had a vast amount of power comparative to Vayne. What I meant is if they were to meet, who would come out as the decisive ruler.
I know it is impossible to choose a clear winner which is why I just stated the top 5 powerful, which could be stated as the existence busting threats, ones who had the ability to end or remove all existence. ANd, his goal wasn't as high as somebody like Sephy or Ulti, I mean really, Sephy wanted something like transferring the life-stream or so(sorry if I'm wrong) and ultimecia wanted to end existence to become a goddess. I'm pretty sure, ulti, for her goal, came closest to achieving a goal that high, and in reality, she did achieve it. It's PIS squall killed her.

Oh and, Vayne, place him against sin and Sins force alone would tear him to shreds.

You still don't know difference between power and strength, how cute. Still, no harm in reminding you again, I have time on my hands. Power doesn't equal strength, to demonstrate I'll use an example. A general doesn't have to be strong, but if he commands a powerful army he can do quite a damage, do you see where I'm going with this...

As for Vayne's goal, you're right, his goal was nothing like Ultis, he had a noble goal, though it may not seem that way at first. Those who played the game know that Vayne tended to free nation of Ivalice from clutches of immortal Ocurians, for nation of Ivalice to finally decide their own fate, his methods may be cruel, but necessary it seems. So you see, their goals can't be compared, Ultis victory lasted til her defeat, which wasn't the case with Vayne.

Sin is far from intelligent creature, he attacks randomly, and he proved to be vulnerable to Al Bhed technology, what do you think Vayne's fleet would do to him, Bahamut, Leviathan and such...

[Angel of Iniquity]

You still don't know difference between power and strength, how cute. Still, no harm in reminding you again, I have time on my hands. Power doesn't equal strength, to demonstrate I'll use an example. A general doesn't have to be strong, but if he commands a powerful army he can do quite a damage, do you see where I'm going with this...

As for Vayne's goal, you're right, his goal was nothing like Ultis, he had a noble goal, though it may not seem that way at first. Those who played the game know that Vayne tended to free nation of Ivalice from clutches of immortal Ocurians, for nation of Ivalice to finally decide their own fate, his methods may be cruel, but necessary it seems. So you see, their goals can't be compared, Ultis victory lasted til her defeat, which wasn't the case with Vayne.

Sin is far from intelligent creature, he attacks randomly, and he proved to be vulnerable to Al Bhed technology, what do you think Vayne's fleet would do to him, Bahamut, Leviathan and such...

Honestly, I'm not going to lie, I was trying to test your knowledge on Vayne so I can learn something new haha, same thing I did to Heartless about Sephy.

You are right in a sense. But I honestly meant power as in... "I can make your head go boom" type of power.
Like, Ulty needed no army because she absorbed Adel and Adel once destroyed an entire army with a simple thought, also showing Ultys immense power.

[Heartless Angel]

Political power's another thing entirely. In that area, I'd have to say Seymour was the most powerful, followed closely by Vayne, Kuja, and Kefka. Though one could reason The Emporer had alot because he was, well... the Emporer... nobody really liked him. People actually wanted to follow Symour and Vayne, and were unaware that Kefka and Kuja were manipulating things

Ultimecia techniclaly did not succeed. She got close, but she failed to create a world in which only she existed, which was her ultimate goal, and in the end, she didn't exist at all. So she got close, but then dove straight into fail. Sephiroth however, DID suceed. Not exactly in the way he'd planned, but he DID become one with the lifestream, and was the only one who never 'lost' in the end. One also must take into consideration what obstacles they had to overcome to reach their goals. Ultimecia had to use a machine to mind**** people while she sat safely in her own time. Not much of a challenge. Least it doesn't sound like one. Sephiroth was actively hunted down by Shinra, the most powerful company in the world, and your party of unbeatable hero archetypes. Holy, and the Planet itself fought against him. And in spite of all of of this, he still ended up merging with the lifestream and becoming immortal. Other villains had it much easier, and still were ultimately beaten. Not Seph.

Kuja was extremely succesful. He had several different plans through the game. Control Brahne, succeeded. Mass produce and sell Black Mages as weapons, suceeded. Kill Gardland and get out from under his rule, succeeded. Destroy planet that pissed him off, suceeded. Destroy crystal to doom humanity, suceeded. The only one who failed there was Necron. And in the end, he came to understand the meaning of life, and wanted to do something menaingful with it, suceeded. He saved Zidane. Not once did Kuja fail. And once again, he met with FAR more opposition than Ultimecia, and perservered anyways.

In terms of success, Ultimecia doesn't sit at the top by any means.