US Federal tax on soda?

[Sasquatch]

Yay. More government intervention to control our own choices, done only to support the largest and most flawed bill in the history of the United States.

So it's only three cents. Does it matter whether it's three cents or three dollars?

Some people might be alright with their government trying to control people's choices and protect them from their own habits. Some people are quite fine with their government squeezing every possible cent from its citizens here and there because it can't function on a budget. Hell, some people are even happily accepting of any new taxes, as long as they think they won't be affected.

But I'm not.

[chrono]

Yay. More government intervention to control our own choices, done only to support the largest and most flawed bill in the history of the United States.

So it's only three cents. Does it matter whether it's three cents or three dollars?

Some people might be alright with their government trying to control people's choices and protect them from their own habits. Some people are quite fine with their government squeezing every possible cent from its citizens here and there because it can't function on a budget. Hell, some people are even happily accepting of any new taxes, as long as they think they won't be affected.

But I'm not.

Someone gets it....


hmmmm.... I do not even drink soda(at all) but this is a dumb idea. The "well it is only 3 cents" excuse does not cut it with me because it is MY 3 cents. If i take from you it should not matter the amount.

There are a ton of places where the government can cut spending if they need money for projects but **** trying to balance anything lets just figure out how to take more of the peoples hard earned money.

Government needs to stay in its place.

[Tallulah]

In Britain we have a 17.5% value added tax (VAT) on pretty much anything not considered essential, such as sweets, biscuits and processed foods.

No idea where the money from that goes, but it's definitely not going on the NHS. :/ Or anywhere else for that matter; probably in the government's pockets!

Only time will tell whether this will work in America. If it doesn't work they'll keep the taxes on as the governmemnt will be making money either way.

[Zargabaath]

Yay. More government intervention to control our own choices, done only to support the largest and most flawed bill in the history of the United States.

So it's only three cents. Does it matter whether it's three cents or three dollars?

Some people might be alright with their government trying to control people's choices and protect them from their own habits. Some people are quite fine with their government squeezing every possible cent from its citizens here and there because it can't function on a budget. Hell, some people are even happily accepting of any new taxes, as long as they think they won't be affected.

But I'm not.

I second that.

It is a thing of principle which some people tend to dismiss easily when they shouldn't. How a person decides to live their life is up to them and a government should not be controlling what they do. A lot of people don't eat healthy or live a healthy lifestyle; could that be a contributing factor as to why their bodies are not that strong? If people chose to live healthier that would be somewhat of an equivalent of insurance companies being forced to cover pre-emptive care and/or pre-existing conditions. Isn't that so wierd too, the government telling a company what they can or can not sell - that sounds like a dictatorship to me.

But lets go into unhealthy lifestyle choices. The government is thinking that soda needs to be taxed because it is unhealthy and they are trying to discourage the purchase of that item - which could lead to the company having to shut down plants and/or let go of people if their revenue takes a big hit - and the government supposedly cares about jobs? Now I'll take this to an area that we are more familiar with than the drinking of soda - videogames. Videogames can lead to a very stationary lifestyle where people aren't active enough; videogames can be time-sinks, such as WoW. The government could put a new tax on videogames, one that could really hike their prices up; how would you guys take that? It only hurts when it conflicts with something that "you" care about. That is why it is important to stick by the principle of this instance because if the government can get a foot in the door eventually their whole body will be in the room. A government is to protect its citizens not to dictate how they [the people] should live their lives.

[Heartless Angel]

I second that.

It is a thing of principle which some people tend to dismiss easily when they shouldn't. How a person decides to live their life is up to them and a government should not be controlling what they do. A lot of people don't eat healthy or live a healthy lifestyle; could that be a contributing factor as to why their bodies are not that strong? If people chose to live healthier that would be somewhat of an equivalent of insurance companies being forced to cover pre-emptive care and/or pre-existing conditions. Isn't that so wierd too, the government telling a company what they can or can not sell - that sounds like a dictatorship to me.

But lets go into unhealthy lifestyle choices. The government is thinking that soda needs to be taxed because it is unhealthy and they are trying to discourage the purchase of that item - which could lead to the company having to shut down plants and/or let go of people if their revenue takes a big hit - and the government supposedly cares about jobs? Now I'll take this to an area that we are more familiar with than the drinking of soda - videogames. Videogames can lead to a very stationary lifestyle where people aren't active enough; videogames can be time-sinks, such as WoW. The government could put a new tax on videogames, one that could really hike their prices up; how would you guys take that? It only hurts when it conflicts with something that "you" care about. That is why it is important to stick by the principle of this instance because if the government can get a foot in the door eventually their whole body will be in the room. A government is to protect its citizens not to dictate how they [the people] should live their lives.

I absolutely agree. It's a shame the rest of the world lacks the intellect to think that way. Far too many people are willing to just let it go if it doesn't concern them. If we all stood against the crap together just because it's wrong, rather than because it directly affects us, we'd be much better off. A government recieves the right to rule from the people. Their power comes from us, not the other way around.

[Che]

I absolutely agree. It's a shame the rest of the world lacks the intellect to think that way. Far too many people are willing to just let it go if it doesn't concern them. If we all stood against the crap together just because it's wrong, rather than because it directly affects us, we'd be much better off. A government recieves the right to rule from the people. Their power comes from us, not the other way around.

It has nothing to do with intellect.

As I said before, you guys are ridiculous. This change directly affects me, and I am fine with the change.

Yes, governments should not control how people spend their lives, but neither should some of the people living in this country.

Let's forget about the healthcare bill for a second. Do you think the government is just taxing us to tax us? Taxes pay for things, and that's why he have them.

A government recieves the right to rule from the people. Their power comes from us, not the other way around.

Are you blind? That should be the case, but the government clearly controls us already. That's why I'm saying you're so ridiculous for complaining about 0.03$ tax on a soda. Using my 5 soda/day for 365 days in a row it came out to what, 54$? Nobody drinks near that much soda. Quite possibly half that would be a good estimate, so 27$. A videogame costs ~65$ with tax. So stop complaining that you won't be able to buy one extra videogame. You will. If you make the exact same amount you did last year (which is impossible for most people given sick days and schedule changes etc etc), you probably aren't even going to worry about that 27$ for your 365 days.

Nevermind, you will. Because you are ridiculous.

This will be the last time I post in this thread because all of you guys who mean well are just acting like you are a hero. You're not. You aren't going to change anything back by speaking out against the government. Yes, fukc the government, but to change something you need a lot of the population to stand up against it. It won't happen over this.

If you really gave a shit you'd actually do something about it, but you're just bitching about it on a Final Fantasy forum. "Don't tax my soda!" <- put a lisp in there when you say it too for how gay you sound.

[Heartless Angel]

It has nothing to do with intellect.

As I said before, you guys are ridiculous. This change directly affects me, and I am fine with the change.

Yes, governments should not control how people spend their lives, but neither should some of the people living in this country.

Let's forget about the healthcare bill for a second. Do you think the government is just taxing us to tax us? Taxes pay for things, and that's why he have them.



Are you blind? That should be the case, but the government clearly controls us already. That's why I'm saying you're so ridiculous for complaining about 0.03$ tax on a soda. Using my 5 soda/day for 365 days in a row it came out to what, 54$? Nobody drinks near that much soda. Quite possibly half that would be a good estimate, so 27$. A videogame costs ~65$ with tax. So stop complaining that you won't be able to buy one extra videogame. You will. If you make the exact same amount you did last year (which is impossible for most people given sick days and schedule changes etc etc), you probably aren't even going to worry about that 27$ for your 365 days.

Nevermind, you will. Because you are ridiculous.

This will be the last time I post in this thread because all of you guys who mean well are just acting like you are a hero. You're not. You aren't going to change anything back by speaking out against the government. Yes, fukc the government, but to change something you need a lot of the population to stand up against it. It won't happen over this.

If you really gave a shit you'd actually do something about it, but you're just bitching about it on a Final Fantasy forum. "Don't tax my soda!" <- put a lisp in there when you say it too for how gay you sound.

You know why we can't change anything? Because of idiots like you. a few people complaining doesn't acomplish anything, you're right. A whole country bending over and accepting being butt****ed out of their money solves less. The whole population won't stand up against anything because of useless people like you everywhere. And for the record, I do drink 5 or more sodas in a day, and the average game costs 50$ unless you're buying brand new first party releases for the ps3.

[chrono]

Are you blind? That should be the case, but the government clearly controls us already. That's why I'm saying you're so ridiculous for complaining about 0.03$ tax on a soda.

This will be the last time I post in this thread because all of you guys who mean well are just acting like you are a hero. You're not. You aren't going to change anything back by speaking out against the government. Yes, fukc the government, but to change something you need a lot of the population to stand up against it. It won't happen over this.

The lie down and die philosophy does not stick well with me. And are you sure we are not doing anything?

If we were to play a team sport i would pick you last because it seems like you are not a "come from behind" type of guy.

[Sasquatch]

It has nothing to do with intellect.

No, it has everything to do with greed and complexes of superiority.

As I said before, you guys are ridiculous. This change directly affects me, and I am fine with the change.

And because you're fine with it, the rest of us should be ... and we're ridiculous?

Yes, governments should not control how people spend their lives, but neither should some of the people living in this country.

Except you, of course -- you should, but nobody else. At least, not people that disagree with you.

I mean, if you don't have a problem with specific taxes and tariffs, then obviously there's nothing wrong with it.

Let's forget about the healthcare bill for a second. Do you think the government is just taxing us to tax us? Taxes pay for things, and that's why he have them.

If we "forget about" all the crap we allow our government to spend money on, there's no reason to tax anyway. So let's not "forget about the healthcare bill" -- because without this outrageous waste of time and money (and lives), there would be less need for stupid taxes.

Are you blind? That should be the case, but the government clearly controls us already. That's why I'm saying you're so ridiculous for complaining about 0.03$ tax on a soda. Using my 5 soda/day for 365 days in a row it came out to what, 54$? Nobody drinks near that much soda. Quite possibly half that would be a good estimate, so 27$. A videogame costs ~65$ with tax. So stop complaining that you won't be able to buy one extra videogame. You will. If you make the exact same amount you did last year (which is impossible for most people given sick days and schedule changes etc etc), you probably aren't even going to worry about that 27$ for your 365 days.

True, there are bigger things to worry about. But if you're trying to say that we shouldn't worry about the little things adding up ... no, just, no.

Nevermind, you will. Because you are ridiculous.

Yes, we know, everybody that disagrees with you is ridiculous.

This will be the last time I post in this thread because all of you guys who mean well are just acting like you are a hero. You're not.

We're bitching about a useless tax being initiated to support a horribly flawed program. Who is acting like a hero?

You aren't going to change anything back by speaking out against the government.

Because nothing ever changes because people speak out against their government.

Yes, fukc the government, but to change something you need a lot of the population to stand up against it. It won't happen over this.

Because it's a "little thing" and there are bigger things to worry about. However, some of us don't want to wait until the one last little piece of straw breaks the camel's back, we'd like to keep that many pieces of straw from getting to the camel in the first place.

If you really gave a shit you'd actually do something about it, but you're just bitching about it on a Final Fantasy forum.

Because the internet is a horrible place to talk about political views or raise awareness, and nobody here is in any way politically active, or even of voting age. Wait ...

"Don't tax my soda!" <- put a lisp in there when you say it too for how gay you sound.

And apparently you have nothing better to do than bitch about and insult others who speak out against stupid government policies and flawed programs. Congratulations. You are such a winner.

The lie down and die philosophy does not stick well with me. And are you sure we are not doing anything?

If we were to play a team sport i would pick you last because it seems like you are not a "come from behind" type of guy.

Actually, judging by the complacency with being screwed (but with lube!) by his government and strange fascination with gays and lisps, I'd say he's exactly a "come from behind" kind of guy.

[OnOneRyder]

I'm curious to see where the people so against this tax stand on the high taxes on alcohol and tobacco. A known contributor to health problems and which has much higher taxes than normal products because of this.

[Sasquatch]

I'm curious to see where the people so against this tax stand on the high taxes on alcohol and tobacco. A known contributor to health problems and which has much higher taxes than normal products because of this.

I'm prettymuch against all "sin taxes". Yes, they contribute to health problems, but if I smoke and drink for twenty years and develop liver disease and lung cancer, I will pay the price myself -- the poor sap who has a beer or a cigar once or twice a year should not be forced to pay any extra to support my bad health, or the costs of my own health care. That's my job.

And if I drink and smoke for twenty years and don't suffer any severe adverse health effects, I should be forced to pay no more for those who do than anybody else who doesn't have poor health because of them.