Why Do Illegal Immigrants sound like Troublemaking High School Students?

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Umm...right. There are several ways to enter legally to the US.

Mind explaining that to a person whose amount of scholarship at times reaches only 1st or 2nd grade? Might seem a bit exaggerate, but it's not undeniable.

Embassies and consulates do this. If I would want to move from America to any other country, I would have to actually research how to do it legally -- and if I was too stupid or uneducated to understand it myself, there are people whose sole reason for employment is to explain it to me.

Besides, if these people have nothing more than first- or second-grade education levels, why would we want to import them into our country? We have enough low-educated workers to do the jobs with no higher standards.

You, being someone who quite probably has access to the Internet and perhaps with a scholarship well exceeding high school, perhaps even a bachelor's degree, might be aware of those several ways, which is great. For those people, the only way is "cross the border or pay a coyote to get over the border".

Of course, the Mexican government distributing fliers and brochures teaching people how to sneak over the border doesn't help, either. But since when is ignorance an excuse to break the law?

And of course, those are the people willing to work, and who knows, even to study...

And the majority of those people go through legal measures to ensure their entry and security in the United States. Like I said, I have no problem with immigrants to the U.S. being upstanding, law-abiding, contributing citizens -- but one cannot claim to be an upstanding, law-abiding citizen when their very presence in this country is against the law.

Well...that depends on the degree of desperation they might have. And I don't mean the kind of desperation where you think "darn, maybe I'll have to tighten my wallet to pay my bills" or the kind where you think "hmm, maybe if I delay my payment of water, I can pay my mortgage and my electricity bills, and maybe if I change the kids into a cheaper school...". This is the kind where you think "I haven't eaten for a month and I won't have food tomorrow: it's now or never".

That's the kind of desperation that makes them pay money to a coyote, or wait a few weeks to get paid to send money back to their family?

There's also enough people in America with scruples and principles that are scammed daily by people offering them dreams. These are people with enough revenue to make a living, and they get scammed.

And what do they do when they get scammed? They work harder or longer to make their money back. The vast majority don't say, "Well I got screwed out of my money, so I'm going to start breaking laws until I have money again."

These people are ignoring, or perhaps are ignorant of, that crossing the border is a crime. For all they know, they think it is to keep them away.

Many of them have crossed illegally into Mexico from its southern countries -- they know it's illegal, and they know it's dangerous.

Those who advocate for an immigration reform know what these people are doing, but they also provide legal assistance to change their migratory status from illegal to legal, through the existing ways to do so (usually, filing a case where they, even already inside, request legal residence or citizenship). Usually, these same people urge them to fix their migratory status, and not fall into the usual traps (marrying a US citizen for the papers and then leaving them, since the US citizen has the right to inform Homeland Security out of fraud), for example.

So they came here illegally, and they've lived here for years illegally -- why do they care to make it legal now? Why do these people advocate for the legalization of past criminal activity instead of the prevention of future criminal activity?

That depends. Illegal for Chinese since the 1875, illegal to Southern and Eastern Europeans since 1924, barely legal since 1917 for people of low scholarity, illegal since 1934 for Filipinos, illegal since 1950 for anyone suspected to be a Communist and illegal since mostly 1954 to Mexicans and Central Americans.

It's not illegal for Chinese, Southern and Eastern Europeans, low-educated, Filipinos, Communists, Mexicans, or Central Americans to immigrate to the United States. They just have to apply and fill out some paperwork, then take a test reflecting their knowledge of the country and its history. It's the same process for everybody.

Not to mention, the rest of those groups of people didn't come here and demand that the rest of the country learns, teaches, and observes their culture and language.

However, anyone who's white Caucasian (although I believe Indian Caucasian as well), mostly of Anglo-Saxon descent, and mostly of Protestant denominations are usually welcome (i.e., usually allowed entry and quick naturalization).

After they go through the same process, yes -- but you've also got to remember, most Anglo-Saxons don't come from countries that are complete shit-holes. And their presence here does not inflate rates of crime, teen pregnancy, dropouts, drug use, etc. etc.

Immigration was not originally illegal. It has turned restricted ever since the last quarter of the 19th Century. That goes without mention that America is a land built from immigration at its core.

America is in a much, much different situation -- and obviously much more populated -- now than it was a hundred and fifty years ago. We have our own people to worry about, we don't need to import more problems.

I'd go with "fight the outsourcing", but that's just me. It's fine if you wish to keep the jobs American-born people might want to do, but try also to reduce outsourcing and keep the darned jobs in America, instead of having companies send them to cheaper places. That should work wonders for the economy, considering that...

The way to do that is to stop punishing companies that succeed and profit, so they stop moving overseas for cheaper production costs. But that's a whole separate issue.

...companies are always looking for people that do stuff for cheap. Just like in this example: Mexican and Central American immigrants don't usually go and say "I'll do it for 70% less than what any American can do it", instead they go for "I'll work for anything, because I'm hungry". And that is the people who wishes to work, not the people who wish to cause troubles.

Now you're generalizing that all immigrants are otherwise law-abiding, contributing citizens -- but we know that's not true, don't we? If it was, illegal Hispanics wouldn't have higher rates in prettymuch every bad category and lower rates in prettymuch every good category.

Of course, it's also a generalization to say that all immigrants are bad people -- that's not what I'm saying at all. Most -- hell, even some illegal immigrants -- are good people, with jobs, that obey most laws. But it's just silly to expect that a person can not give a damn about laws when it comes to legal entry into the country, but obey and abide by all other laws.

So think about it: immigration is unfair because it takes jobs from Americans, but outsourcing is fine because it takes jobs from Americans, but you can't do jack because you're not willing to migrate for that job?

If it wasn't for overpowered unions and over-taxation of the achievers in the United States, there would be no need to outsource.

Just saying. I'd rather tackle the problem with some finesse rather than just keep everyone away, instead of just the people you really don't want here. Either work things smartly, or plain destroy the illusion of the American Dream (tm) for all these people.

Telling a group of people, "Come on in -- and stay -- but do it legally," is not the same as telling them, "stay out".

The types of jobs that illegal immigrants are taking from Americans... are jobs that Americans wouldn't want to do in the first place.

Landscaping duty. Maintenance duty. Hard Labor...etc.

Are you trying to tell me that fifteen million unemployed Americans wouldn't earn a paycheck with manual labor? Or that they don't want to? Hell, ninety-something percent of jobs are jobs that people don't want to do, but they do them because they need money and it's their most acceptable solution. But it's ignorant to think that without millions of illegal aliens, none of those jobs would be filled.