Should drug testing be legal for the workplace?

[Kooky Spice]

That varies with the person and the dosage. I know people who can't work a playstation controller when they're high, let alone fix a car. Studies DO show that consumption of many mind altering substances have negative effects on motor skills and judgement, so what he's suggesting here really isn't that outrageous. Being moderately drunk doesn't nescessarily mean you're incapable of driving in a straight line either, do you advocate drunk driving?

Well then I suppose that some might not want to generalize and should start using terms like "In some cases" or "a lot of the time". Also, I in no way condone Drunk Driving or driving while being under the influence of any mind altering substance. However I will not sit idly by and be grouped in with idiots who don't understand the concept of moderation and absolutely refuse to be lumped in with them.

Maybe I'm crazy, but I recall there being a town somewhere in the US in which it was illegal not to smile. Unsurprisingly it was never enforced.

I also remember hearing about a town in which it was illegal to carry ice cream cones in your left back pocket on Wednesdays, or some such. I wish I could remember the program I saw it on, but I was pretty young at the time.

Yep and in Alabama it is illegal to give your dog a lit cigar, and to play poker with it.

Also in Arizona it is illegal to have more than 1 sex toy per room in your home and to keep a donkey in your bathtub/shower.
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[Heartless Angel]

I bolded in the quote the best thing about your post. Still, this isn't about what the law currently is. Like I said before, this thread isn't about breaking the law, it's about the possibility of changing the law to make sure it's being fair to the people. Your opinion on that can be lots of things. But yes, obviously, if you get caught on a drug test you did dig your own grave because you will get fired. However, did the drug make you bad at your job, or were you just fired because of a law? Step back and look at the big picture. Why is that law there in the first place? Is doing the drug harming your performance at work? That's the issue here.

That's where I must disagree with you. The thread is about the legality of drug TESTS, not the drug itself. As long as the drug remains illegal, the test is absolutely justified. When maijuanna becomes legal, it'll be no different than alcohol. It'll be allowed until some idiot fails to enjoy the priveledge in moderation and ****s it up royally for the rest of us.

Well then I suppose that some might not want to generalize and should start using terms like "In some cases" or "a lot of the time". Also, I in no way condone Drunk Driving or driving while being under the influence of any mind altering substance. However I will not sit idly by and be grouped in with idiots who don't understand the concept of moderation and absolutely refuse to be lumped in with them.

Unfortunately, it's the idiots that laws are made for. A moderately intelligent person knows it's probably not the best idea to go operate complicated heavy machinery while shit-faced, and so they drink after hours. But then you have the overwhelming presence of idiots in the world who'd show up shit-faced every day if you didn't specifically tell them not to. And when one of those morons who can't even stand up straight causes a problem, bam, we get a law that ****s the rest of us. Blame stupid people. LAws and warning labels aren't made for 9999/10000 people who excorcise good judgement and common sense, they're for that one dumbass who couldn't pour piss out of a boot without an instruction manual. Sucks for the rest of us, yeah, but it is what it is.

EDIT: MORE STUPID LAWS!

In Nebraska, it is illegal to drive a covered wagon on sundays. I know, I want to take mine out for a sunday drive all the time, but I restrain myself...

I forget where, but there's a place where it's illegal to tie a giraffe to a telephone pole. I mean, where else are you gonna tie the damn thing, amirite?

In Chicago, it is illegal to refuse to leave a burning restaraunt. And as i mentioned here, most laws are the reuslt of one dumbass... makes you wonder who the genius here was. SIR THE BUILDING IS ON FIRE! EVACUATE! Ahem, can you not see I am trying to enjoy my meal?!

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That's where I must disagree with you. The thread is about the legality of drug TESTS, not the drug itself. As long as the drug remains illegal, the test is absolutely justified. When maijuanna becomes legal, it'll be no different than alcohol. It'll be allowed until some idiot fails to enjoy the priveledge in moderation and ****s it up royally for the rest of us.

I don't get what you are saying here. Alcohol is still legal to drink, nobody ****ed that up for us, despite the numerous DUIs that have been issued.

Unfortunately, it's the idiots that laws are made for. A moderately intelligent person knows it's probably not the best idea to go operate complicated heavy machinery while shit-faced, and so they drink after hours. But then you have the overwhelming presence of idiots in the world who'd show up shit-faced every day if you didn't specifically tell them not to. And when one of those morons who can't even stand up straight causes a problem, bam, we get a law that ****s the rest of us. Blame stupid people. LAws and warning labels aren't made for 9999/10000 people who excorcise good judgement and common sense, they're for that one dumbass who couldn't pour piss out of a boot without an instruction manual. Sucks for the rest of us, yeah, but it is what it is.

@the bold of your post: I am a strong believer in the "you're only as strong as the weakest person" mentality.

As for the rest of your post, of course it's illegit to show up at work wasted or high and operate machinery. But you said yourself an intelligent person knows not to do that, and would do it after hours. However, drugs stay in your body for a while, and what happens if that person is never drunk or high at work but they are randomly drug tested? They could be the best working employee at the company and get fired because of the drug test. Even if they weren't high or drunk at work.