Recent South Park Episode Draws Controversy

[Phantom]

Hey all, does anyone here still watch South Park? Well in my opinon its not a bad show, in fact it can be very funny at times, but a recent new episode that aired earlier this week has a caused a stir within a LGBT group. Please read:

Gay group attacks South Park for ‘gay slur’ - from Pink News - all the latest gay news from the gay community - Pink News
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A recent episode of South Park has angered a gay rights group for using the word 'fag'.

The Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation (GLAAD), said that although South Park was apparently trying to "delegitmise" the word, its use might not be understood by all viewers.

In the episode, the boys begin calling riders of Harley Davidson motorbikes 'fags' because they are "annoying and inconsiderate". At first, local gay people are angry but then join the rebranding effort after concluding that the word will never go away because "it's simply too much fun to say".

However, GLAAD did not appreciate the joke, saying that use of the word would have consequences for people who were victims of anti-gay bullying.

The complaint read: "Although this seems to represent a well-intentioned effort by the creators of South Park to delegitimise a vulgar anti-gay slur, the fact is that the word is and remains a hateful slur that is often part of the harassment, bullying and violence that gay people, and gay youth in particular, experience on a daily basis in this country.

"It is an epithet that has real consequences for real people’s lives. Just this year, an 11-year-old Massachusetts student named Carl Joseph Walker-Hoover, unable to endure the unrelenting anti-gay bullying and name-calling he experienced at school, committed suicide."

The complaint continued: "The creators of South Park are right on one important point: more and more people are using the F-word as an all-purpose insult.

"However, it is irresponsible and wrong to suggest that it is a benign insult or that promoting its use has no consequences for those who are the targets of anti-gay bullying and violence.

"This is a slur whose meaning remains rooted in homophobia. And while many South Park viewers will understand the sophisticated satire and critique in last night’s episode, others won’t – and if even a small number of those take from this a message that using the 'F-word' is OK, it worsens the hostile climate that many in our community continue to face."

Comedy Central, which shows South Park, has not commented.
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To be honest, I didn't really get the meaning of the episode since I only saw half the episode that night, but when I read the episode description I kinda understand why the LGBT group is blasting this episode. I mean I love South Park as much as the next guy, and I won't stop watching it because of this, because South Park has been known for this since it first aired. In a way this is kinda spilt for me, when I saw the end of the episode it didn't seem all that bad to me, but when I read further into the news of it I kinda understood way this is going on. Saying "fag" to a gay man is almost like saying the "n" word to a black man, or the "c" word to a white man.. no one wants to hear it, and its offensive. So yeah this episode is kinda split so-so for me but I can understand why this LGBT group is calling this episode out.

Your Throughts friends?

[GypsyElder]

I watched it*

My thoughts are, what has South park not made fun of in an offensive way?

I mean I love south park, but you just kind of get used to the remarks, it's South Park they're assholes about everything, and if not, then you usually just don't watch it. There are morals that come with almost every episode, beyond all the absurd remarks. Also, lot's of the things that are shown are usually pretty dead on, when it comes to current events or the overall view of something. They just put it on blast, and say what everyone is thinking in a sometimes funny manner... I just watched the episode, and honestly I don't see what all the fuss is about. The whole point throughout the episode was to make it clear that the meaning of the word "fag" is no longer just "homosexual", which is true. I'm guilty of using the word, but when I use it it's usually not intended to be some sort of slur towards gays. When I use it it equals dumbass, douche, stupid, in a funny way, Just like how the word "gay" is used to equal lame, stupid, dumb.

EDIT: Also if you look back on it, throughout almost every episode, Stan or Cartman, call Kyle a f***ing Jew I mean this is not something new to South Park. Cartman also dressed up as Hitler with a flashing Nazi sign on his shoulder. *shrug*

[Unknown Entity]

My thoughts are, what has South park not made fun of in an offensive way?

Nuff said.

I dislike the word fag, but I don't make a big deal of it. I understand what it could mean for some gay or lesbian people, but to me it'll always mean cigarette. "Wut? You gonna call someone a cigarette? Lame."

[Alpha]

I just don't find South Park funny. Never have. Their jokes are all just aimed at offending someone or something (like an entire religion). And this is just another example about how much of what they say is liable to offend. Things are only funny until you yourself become offended, so I err on the side of caution and just try not to offend.

Throwing around 'fag' is like throwing around 'retard'. Most people don't use them to offend, and mostly outside of their actual context, but that doesn't mean that they aren't actually offensive. One time my little brother (severely autistic) ran out from my house, and crossed a busy street. I chased after him and some motorist yelled out at me saying, "Retards like him should be locked up!" (true story), and people have often made fun of my "retard brother" if they've been scratching for insults. Now I just find the word 'retard' offensive in every context.

Southpark just plays to people who aren't easily offended, but they would do well to learn that people are offended, and it's not a result of being 'precious' or something similar. It's just stupid, and this is further icing on the cake.

EDIT: 300th Post! That makes me a Knight or something. Suck that Oracle.

[Govinda]

I just don't find South Park funny. Never have. Their jokes are all just aimed at offending someone or something (like an entire religion). And this is just another example about how much of what they say is liable to offend. Things are only funny until you yourself become offended, so I err on the side of caution and just try not to offend.

Throwing around 'fag' is like throwing around 'retard'. Most people don't use them to offend, and mostly outside of their actual context, but that doesn't mean that they aren't actually offensive. One time my little brother (severely autistic) ran out from my house, and crossed a busy street. I chased after him and some motorist yelled out at me saying, "Retards like him should be locked up!" (true story), and people have often made fun of my "retard brother" if they've been scratching for insults. Now I just find the word 'retard' offensive in every context.

Southpark just plays to people who aren't easily offended, but they would do well to learn that people are offended, and it's not a result of being 'precious' or something similar. It's just stupid, and this is further icing on the cake.

I'm going to have to call you out on this. It shows that you don't watch South Park.

It's not about causing offence; the vast majority of episodes make a point, hidden in symbol, metaphor, and offence, about the world that we live in. They have insulted something about every single person on Earth at least once, but it's not for cheap gags.

Cartman constantly calls Kyle a covetous Jew, but Kyle doesn't cry about it. He reminds Cartman that he is fat and stupid and a hypocrite and moves on. There are assholes in the world, and crying about it solves nothing. Nothing in Kyle and his family's behaviour makes them stereotypical Jews; there's nothing to be offended about except Cartman.

I admit, they did go to town on the Mormons, but they did that because they believe a guy who looked into a hat for answers. And they kind of annoyed me when they suggested that having a giant gay-pile was less gay and hippy-ish than trying to save the planet. Everyone will be annoyed at some point, though.

I think you'd like the episode about athiesm, Alpha. Cartman goes forward in time to try and get a Wii, but ends up being thousands of years in the future, where three athiest leagues are at war because they can't agree on a title for themselves. One of these leagues is composed of giant, talking sea-otters. The people who make South Park ask that you enjoy and laugh at the spectacle of murderous giant sea-otters, but that you also use your own initiative to see what they're saying (namely, that even if you get rid of religion, war will always remain, and that Richard Dawkins is an overly evangelical prick).

What I'm saying here is that I only defend this show because they are usually so on-point that it almost looks like clairvoyance. I like to watch it at night so that I go to sleep in a good mood, aware that there are others who think and wonder like I do, and who value intelligent humour. As a race, we need to learn to laugh at ourselves and our differences, or we're never going to progress at all.

The episode about the word fag wasn't very funny, though.

[Govinda]

I really offended a gay American in Scotland once by asking him if he wanted a fag. I told him that to us the word means 'cigarette', but he wouldn't calm down. I explained to the asshole that he was in my country, so he should be used to how we speak.

Anyway, did nobody see the Mel Gibson episode, 'The Passion of the Jew'? Or the one about the lesbians fighting the Persians? Or how the only black kid is called Token? Or how the English kid was picked straight from a Dickens novel? Or, or, or, or...

Have the LGBT people seen the episode where they slaughter the people from Queer Eye for the Straight Guy? That entire thing is them defending gay and lesbian culture until the presenters turn out to be crab people at the end. Rarely has a favour like that been done for the LGBT on international television.

Pointless whining.

[RagnaToad]

Govinda basically said everything that came up.

South Park is a show that puts everything in perspective. It relativises everything.

There's always a moral in every episode, but it wouldn't be a real relativising show if it didn't mock itself. So the moral is always made into something fucked up and it's always deliberately corny so that it becomes utterly ridiculous.

It's Trey Parker and Matt Stone's way of saying to everyone:

Chill the fuck out, mate.

[Pete]

Well, now if you actually SAW the episode, you'd understand that they were trying to take the word fag away from the gays, and have it officially used in the sense that we Americans use it today. When we call someone a fag today, it's really just a more insulting term for "loser," but loser doesn't have that sting. When someone does something stupid, we call them a fag, regardless of their sexual orientation.

CLICK ME, FAGS

The first vid to play should sum it up. Look for "insanely good sense" if it doesn't.

[Josh_R]

Well, now if you actually SAW the episode, you'd understand that they were trying to take the word fag away from the gays, and have it officially used in the sense that we Americans use it today. When we call someone a fag today, it's really just a more insulting term for "loser," but loser doesn't have that sting. When someone does something stupid, we call them a fag, regardless of their sexual orientation.

My views exactly Pete, in the episode they were not using it as a insult towards homosexual's they were using towards the biker's. They were basically calling the biker's loser or lame or something of that nature, plus like almost everyone stated it is south park which mean they will knowingly put offensive shit on their show and no one will care because south park is hilarious...

[Phantom]

My views exactly Pete, in the episode they were not using it as a insult towards homosexual's they were using towards the biker's. They were basically calling the biker's loser or lame or something of that nature, plus like almost everyone stated it is south park which mean they will knowingly put offensive shit on their show and no one will care because south park is hilarious...

That's what I was thinking. I was able to watch the full episode last night and that's the feeling I got from the episode. Oddly enough sometimes it takes me a while to really make out what a person is really meaning but some of the insults they say, but like I said before maybe its just the culture in this generation that the new use for the word "fag" or "gay" is just to replace loser, or stupid, I was raised up hating those words because in my life they were always an offensive gay slur used often on me and other gay men like myself. I still prefer the old term "just plain" loser or stupid, but from now I'll think about it more and wont automatically think it is comes out as a gay slur. And yes those bikers were annoying I totally agree

[Jin]

When we call someone a fag today, it's really just a more insulting term for "loser," but loser doesn't have that sting. When someone does something stupid, we call them a fag, regardless of their sexual orientation.

I see where you're coming from on this, but I disagree with your definition of a word (or at least the one I perceive you to hold, based on my reading of this post).

You seem to be coming at this from the perspective that a word means what its user means it to mean. I disagree. Words have collective meanings. Like people, words have histories and are the products of sociocultural complexes. Therefore, when you use the word fag, it does not just mean what you intend it to mean, but also means what others perceive it to mean.

I'm not attempting to claim that you or anyone else lacks the right to say whatever words you want or that you're required by some moral standard to take into account the histories and cultural meanings of words and how others perceive them before you use them. However, it doesn't make a lot of sense to me to ignore the way in which others perceive the words you use and then act indignant when said people take offense. If I decided one day that when I use the term "9/11 victim", I am actually calling someone poor, it seems utterly ridiculous to expect certain people not to be offended by its usage, even though I am in no way referring to actual 9/11 victims.

This is a side note though. I have not seen the episode and therefore cannot comment on what they're doing.

[marf]

damn did those fags even watch the episode
those fags are always crying for everything
why do they care what other people think about them their waisting their damn time
and stop saying shit about southpark that tv show is the shit it better not get cancled because of that stupid shit

RIO RICO THUGZ

[Phantom]

damn did those fags even watch the episode
those fags are always crying for everything
why do they care what other people think about them their waisting their damn time
and stop saying shit about southpark that tv show is the shit it better not get cancled because of that stupid shit

RIO RICO THUGZ

damn did those fags even watch the episode

Apparently they did otherwise that post and this conversion wouldn't be up.

those fags are always crying for everything


Can you really blame them? They have taken alot of shit in their lives. It's like a black person protesting a racial group for using the "n" word slur, they are standing up for themselves and letting their voice be heard.

why do they care what other people think about them their waisting their damn time


As I said in the above quote, Can you blame them? Most don't care, but others are different, others are dealing with personal hate crimes everyday, (look at Iraq) you get stoned to death for just kissing someone of the same sex.

and stop saying shit about southpark that tv show is the shit it better not get cancled because of that stupid shit


I agree with you, South Park is one of my favorite shows, I doubt it would be canceled because of this, I mean what season is this? Season 13 or 14? They survived this long right? lol.

@Pete

When we call someone a fag today, it's really just a more insulting term for "loser," but loser doesn't have that sting. When someone does something stupid, we call them a fag, regardless of their sexual orientation.


What's wrong with just saying "loser"? Do people have to add "fag" or "gay" to it? Just call them a loser, its to the point, adding fag to it is sugar coating the term, and plus saying fag instead of the meaning for loser doesn't make since to me at all.

[marf]

phantom is a FAG

[LocoColt04]

phantom is a FAG

Be that as it may, this post is harassment and was still uncalled for.

Strike one.

[Maridia]

When it comes to South Park and making fun of things. Well they've been doing it since the start of the show and shock value is a big thing for them. All publicity is good publicity hence why they have the Virgin Mary bleeding or Steve Irwin getting barbed. Cause they just make light of things, it's their job.

As for the word fag I don't see the big problem. As people have said before for some reason especially in New England it's a very common thing to call someone a fag (Watch the Departed). Not that I'm dropping my r's haha but since middle school kids have said that when someone is acting annoying or stupid. It's not literal believe me, MA is one of the more open places out there, hence gay marriage here, Connecticut, Vermont, and New Hampshire(starting in 2010). Pete was right in saying it's nothing more than slang. When we call someone a pussy, douche, asshole, prick, fag, retard, loser it means the same thing. People will either see it or they won't, but it's not a big deal by any means from how I look at it.

[Sean]

Does the NAACP get outraged and cause a fuss whenever a black artist uses the word ******/***** in a song?

Short answer; no.

Christ, calm the **** down. I was rather offended by them using the kid as a scapegoat to how anti-gay behavior hurts people. Kids off themselves or off other people all the time as a consequence to unrelentless bullying and anti-whatever they are behavior. This is nothing new. The kid got bullied, couldn't handle it.

I'm not trying to say it's unimportant, but they're overplaying it in this "complaint."

[Pete]

Any word can be taken out of context. The word fag has changed its meaning so many times, and South Park went on to explain that. They even have a scene with all the bikers in the library, looking up what fag meant.

They were like:
Well, it says it's a bundle of sticks... Well, we're not a bundle of sticks.
Next it says it defines a person who gathers and bundles stick... That's not us either.
It also says cigarettes... We're not cigarettes.
Oh it says gays... Could that be what they mean... no, we're not gay.

It's just like if I called a friend a Jew for not tipping a waiter/ waitress. I don't have anything against the Jews, but it's just a different way of calling someone cheap. Is it PC, nope, but I'm not either.

[WilsonDean1990]

Either everything is allowed to be taken the P**s out of

or

nothing is

Simple as that

[Freya]

Wait. Just wait. I don't get it.

In this episode, the kids tried to change the meaning of the word "fag".

An episode before this episode, they slew whales and dolphins and made fun of the Japanese.

Why the heck did someone complain about this episode now?? O_o" There have been so many episodes of South Park so far and many were more offensive than this episode. But I guess it's just because the word "fag" was used.

Basically Govinda has said everything yet, but I just want to add something:
I don't really get why people are offended by something like that. It's a TV show! XD" How can you possibly be offended by just THAT?!
Maybe this isn't a good example, but has anyone on here been offended by the World of Warcraft episode? (For everyone who hasn't seen it: The kids began playing WoW but some other guy killed their characters all the time. [A typical gamer] So they decided to strengthen their characters to beat that guy. At the end they beat him, but they were all fat and ugly because they played all day long.)
I laughed about that, though I know that I'm also a video game player.

Their jokes are all just aimed at offending someone or something (like an entire religion).

I didn't think they offended entire religions. I don't know which episode you mean, but there were two:
1. The one about the Mormons. Did you watch it? To the very end? Then you would know that the moral of this episode was that Stan was intolerant towards the Mormons. He had learned to accept his new friend though he was a Mormon. (And besides, in another episode, when several people die and are in hell, an "ambassador" of hell tells the people that only Mormons will be allowed in heaven. )
2. The one about Scientology. I agree that in this episode they wanted to offend Scientology. I don't like Scientology, so I agree with the creators of South Park. .-." Besides, I think they just wanted to make fun of them, not exactly offending them. I suppose nearly everyone knows what Scientology is about. (And if I remember correctly they were even sued for making fun of them. XD")
As Govinda said, watch the episodes "Go, God, Go" (I hope it's called that XD") of season... 10 I think.

[Sasquatch]

Where is GLAAD's response to South Park's mockery of Christianity?

Who in the "gay community" is up in arms over South Park's satire of every religion?

Or race?

Or movie? Or game? Or person?

It's funny -- and shows true character -- when everything is allowed EXCEPT that which might offend ME. "Of, you can make fun of those people ... you can poke fun at that issue ... but wait, you said something about an issue that I'm involved in? Bigots! Evil!"

"Just this year, an 11-year-old Massachusetts student named Carl Joseph Walker-Hoover, unable to endure the unrelenting anti-gay bullying and name-calling he experienced at school, committed suicide."
-Some kid in Massachusetts committed suicide because he couldn't take being bullied? Boo-friggin'-hoo. It's good that the kid took himself out of the gene pool before he got a chance to pass his genes or vote. We all get bullied. We all get made fun of. If it's not about being gay, it's about being ugly, or being fat, or being too tall, or too short, or having red hair, or being of a certain religion, o having a certain skin color. Deal with it.

[Phantom]

Where is GLAAD's response to South Park's mockery of Christianity?

Who in the "gay community" is up in arms over South Park's satire of every religion?

Or race?

Or movie? Or game? Or person?

It's funny -- and shows true character -- when everything is allowed EXCEPT that which might offend ME. "Of, you can make fun of those people ... you can poke fun at that issue ... but wait, you said something about an issue that I'm involved in? Bigots! Evil!"

"Just this year, an 11-year-old Massachusetts student named Carl Joseph Walker-Hoover, unable to endure the unrelenting anti-gay bullying and name-calling he experienced at school, committed suicide."
-Some kid in Massachusetts committed suicide because he couldn't take being bullied? Boo-friggin'-hoo. It's good that the kid took himself out of the gene pool before he got a chance to pass his genes or vote. We all get bullied. We all get made fun of. If it's not about being gay, it's about being ugly, or being fat, or being too tall, or too short, or having red hair, or being of a certain religion, o having a certain skin color. Deal with it.

"Just this year, an 11-year-old Massachusetts student named Carl Joseph Walker-Hoover, unable to endure the unrelenting anti-gay bullying and name-calling he experienced at school, committed suicide."
-Some kid in Massachusetts committed suicide because he couldn't take being bullied? Boo-friggin'-hoo. It's good that the kid took himself out of the gene pool before he got a chance to pass his genes or vote.


Normally, I wouldn't really interject this much, what you just said here gives me a whole nother opinon of you. Sasquatch, dude, the kid is 11, he's a freaking child for God's sake! What you just said about him was really low, I kinda throught you were so what more above this shit.


Suicude is wrong, but that and I think even others would agree with me that making fun of someone, let alone a child, an 11 year old child is really low. What if that was your child? Or if you had a little brother? Would you still feel the same way?

I feel for this kid's parents, they have to deal with the death of their little boy all because of society's views and torture he had to endure say in and day out, and he was just 11! Heck, when I was in my early high school years even my middle school years I got tormented about my sexual orientation on a daily basis and just been called "gay" without sexual meaning, and in high school it got even worse, and when I was 16 and came out to my mother for the first time, she right away kinda disowned me, and it all broke out of me and I nearly commited suicide, but didn't. (I'm glad things are different now, because I stuck it out.)

But he was just 11, not 16 or 17, but 11, come on.


We all get made fun of. If it's not about being gay, it's about being ugly, or being fat, or being too tall, or too short, or having red hair, or being of a certain religion, o having a certain skin color.

Yeah I agree with you..on this, but if you haven't noticed in today's society you aren't getting killed in foriegn nations because your fat or your height, take Iraq for example, if they even see a same sex couple just kissing they are stoned to DEATH. Even here in Amercia, I never ever heard a news story or witnessed an even in which someone is killed for being fat, sure even in Amercia teen youth will commit suicide for thinking their ugly or fat, or their height and eye color, it's the same with gay discrimination, in which you aren't being discriminated for being fat or skinny, or a height issue, you are being discriminated for being in love with a someone of the same sex.


Even if that 11 year old boy wasn't gay, and this happens, you would still get picked on by haters, and in today's generation, you would be called "gay", "fag", or queer" every day, and that regard it wouldn't be used as a "gay equals loser term, it will mean what it was before.


I feel for that boy because he and I went through the same problems, and even considered suicide, but I was 16 when I throught that would have been better then suffering, but I was young, and I wasnt very brave or strong and I didnt even have my mom's support, but I didn't do it, I stuck it out.

But he was 11 not 16, he didn't know what to do, he's a damn child! Have some pity for him, and I pray that he finds some peace now.


Sorry I got off topic:
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Where is GLAAD's response to South Park's mockery of Christianity?

Who in the "gay community" is up in arms over South Park's satire of every religion?

Or race?

Or movie? Or game? Or person?


1.) GLAAD is a assiocation for the LGBT community, why would they want to respond to S.P's mockery of Christianity? Especially when some people in the world and some church's like the mormon church have hated on the LGBT community since the dawn of time?

2.) I think South Park is an awesome show, as I stated in a pervous post, its funny, and we all get used it doing this, but I believe in some cases, they may go to far with their "interepations" on some matters such as Gays, Chrisitianity, Race, God, etc and that like a political flamethrower must end up starting controversy and protests. I believe I saw one episode in which a local Church group was in protest over, so you see things like this can start for a number of reasons.


Once again through I love South Park, I'd still watch the show anyway, but I can also understand the protests and need to let other people's voices be heard on some issues.

[Sasquatch]

Alright, to be fair, what I said (well, typed) was probably a little insensitive. Shucks.

Normally, I wouldn't really interject this much, what you just said here gives me a whole nother opinon of you.

You would, and it doesn't. C'mon, be honest.

Sasquatch, dude, the kid is 11, he's a freaking child for God's sake! What you just said about him was really low, I kinda throught you were so what more above this shit.

He committed suicide because he was getting made fun of at school. Would you be defending him as much if he did it because of harassment over his religion, hair color, height, etc.?

Suicude is wrong, but that and I think even others would agree with me that making fun of someone, let alone a child, an 11 year old child is really low. What if that was your child? Or if you had a little brother? Would you still feel the same way?

Sure, making fun of anybody is wrong. But it happens. Especially with children. For any and every conceivable reason. The rest of us just deal with it.

Yeah I agree with you..on this, but if you haven't noticed in today's society you aren't getting killed in foriegn nations because your fat or your height, take Iraq for example, if they even see a same sex couple just kissing they are stoned to DEATH.

And how many times have you been to Iraq? Obviously you don't know enough to recognize the term "man-love Thursday".

But once again -- whine about some injustices, but ignore others. It's either all or none, kid. If you want to talk about Islamic culture's treatment of homosexuals, also (at least) mention their (even worse) treatment of Jews, Christians, and women.

Even if that 11 year old boy wasn't gay, and this happens, you would still get picked on by haters, and in today's generation, you would be called "gay", "fag", or queer" every day, and that regard it wouldn't be used as a "gay equals loser term, it will mean what it was before.

"It will mean what it was before" ... you mean happy?

1.) GLAAD is a assiocation for the LGBT community, why would they want to respond to S.P's mockery of Christianity? Especially when some people in the world and some church's like the mormon church have hated on the LGBT community since the dawn of time?

First, because South Park mocks everything, and if they weren't hypocrites, they'd be pissed about everything being mocked. And second, how exactly has the "mormon church [sic]" "hated on the LGBT community since the dawn of time" when the "mormon church [sic]" has only existed for a couple hundred years?

2.) I think South Park is an awesome show, as I stated in a pervous post, its funny, and we all get used it doing this, but I believe in some cases, they may go to far with their "interepations" on some matters such as Gays, Chrisitianity, Race, God, etc and that like a political flamethrower must end up starting controversy and protests.

Then where are your posts bitching about their "interepations [sic]" of Christianity, race, God, etc.?

Trivial? A 11 year old little boy ( a child ) commiting suicide is trivial to you RagnaToad?

Where is your outrage over abortions, or Muslim wishes to slaughter all Jews and wipe out Israel, or Christians in many African and Asian countries being tortured and murdered? Why do you only care about bad things when they happen to homosexuals? Why do you flat-out ignore (you know, pass off as "trivial") bad things when they happen to any other group of people -- or when they're done by homosexuals?

Half if not all of Gay youth in Amercia, no everywhere in the world have or had a rough life.

Says who -- you? GLAAD? "Pink News"? Because nobody else is ever made fun of, right? No, keep trying to label martyrs because they're for your cause but ignoring those of other causes.

Getting called a gay slur on a daily basis, getting harassed, getting beat up is the everyday life of a gay young man or woman in society today ...

Really? Getting beat up is part of everyday life for homosexuals?

but it has nothing to do with South Park, let alone that particular episode.


In fact it does, its an example as how people in this world use the "f" word, and the ongoing gay hate discrimination.

The episode took it in the complete opposite direction -- not using "fag" as a "slur" at all. It wasn't a reference to homosexuals, or to "gay hate discrimination".

Gay discrimination is still a heated issue here and that episode of S.P I'm assuming is not helping the sitution, and apparently GLADD did see a ripple in this episode compared to the others.

Because this episode included the word "fag". GLAAD didn't care when they made fun of every other group.

Not everyone is built from the same stone as the stronger people in the human race - especially not an 11 year old kid who is being bullied for being who he is.

Every 11-year-old is bullied for who he is. Most don't commit suicide over it.

If somebody made a car that blew up when the gas pedal was pushed, would you just say, "Well not all cars are built at the same factory"?

I could have been really out of order there and mentioned something about your gene pool dis-continuing. Damn.

And you would have had every right to. See, in America, we can say things that others might not agree with -- even things that offend others. Like advocating Social Darwinism or soft eugenics, or the word "fag".

[nix]

This thread is a perfect example of why everybody should smoke weed ;P

[Unknown Entity]

Every 11-year-old is bullied for who he is. Most don't commit suicide over it.

If somebody made a car that blew up when the gas pedal was pushed, would you just say, "Well not all cars are built at the same factory"?

And you would have had every right to. See, in America, we can say things that others might not agree with -- even things that offend others. Like advocating Social Darwinism or soft eugenics, or the word "fag".

Most 11 year olds don't even know their sexual orientation at the age of 11. Most 11 year olds don't even understand what being gay is. I remember being that age and ewwwing at the word sex or gay or whatever. What if this kid wasn't being bullied before he came out?

As for the suicide thing... bullying effects everyone in different ways. I've known people turning to alcohol and drugs because of their experiences. Some people can take it like a knock on the chin, and others can take it harder.

The kids that bullied me weren't being bullied either, so you're wrong about "Every 11 year-old is bullied." They were spoiled kids who came from richer families, and picked on me because I was a tomboy/because my reading level was the highest in the class/because I was a girl who played football/because I didn't own a playstation.

Now they're failing at college, and I'm going in for game development. Woot for me. >>;

And how about the people who are still being the bully/ bullied when they're 35+? It's not just a right of passage for kids at school.

Also, cars don't have such an extensive gene pool. >>;;

[Sasquatch]

Most 11 year olds don't even know their sexual orientation at the age of 11. Most 11 year olds don't even understand what being gay is. I remember being that age and ewwwing at the word sex or gay or whatever. What if this kid wasn't being bullied before he came out?

Did the kid even "come out"? All it says in the article is that he was bullied. Did the kid even think he was gay? Did the bullies? Or did they just see a weak kid that was an easy target?

As for the suicide thing... bullying effects everyone in different ways. I've known people turning to alcohol and drugs because of their experiences.

You've seen people turn to drugs and alcohol because they got bullied? You serious?

The kids that bullied me weren't being bullied either, so you're wrong about "Every 11 year-old is bullied." They were spoiled kids who came from richer families ...

And you know for certain that they never got bullied, and never picked on each other?

... and picked on me because I was a tomboy/because my reading level was the highest in the class/because I was a girl who played football/because I didn't own a playstation.

And you didn't kill yourself, did you? All that bullying, and you turned out alright.

And how about the people who are still being the bully/ bullied when they're 35+? It's not just a right of passage for kids at school.

No, it's not just kids at school, it's everybody. Everybody, throughout their entire life, will be picked on for something. It's just more common for children because as most of us get older, we gain maturity and stop bullying.

Also, cars don't have such an extensive gene pool. >>;;

Neither did the kid. But you're saying that you would prefer that, if a car existed that blew up whenever the accelerator pedal was pushed, you would want that company to make more cars with the same problem?

I also love how "you complain about injustices against X, but not against Y and therefore your complaint about X is invalid" is being put forward as a legitimate argument in this thread.

A complaint about X but ignoring A-W, Y, and Z shows extreme hypocrisy and self-centeredness, and does indeed invalidate arguments against X. If one doesn't like injustice, they don't like injustices A-Z, not just the one that they think affects them.

If your theme happened to be about hunting black people for sport, and a publisher had reservations about publishing it, I'd say we would live in a better society.

I'd agree with that. But if the publisher did go through with it, one could boycott that publisher. The publisher shouldn't, but that doesn't mean he shouldn't be allowed to.

But if that publisher has published books for more than a decade about hunting, torturing, or raping all different groups of people, and one finally decided to stand up and say, "That's wrong!" at their most recent book concerning hunting black people, without complaining in the last decade about the books describing the same things with other groups of people, it would show their hypocrisy.

[Phantom]

Alright, to be fair, what I said (well, typed) was probably a little insensitive. Shucks.

You would, and it doesn't. C'mon, be honest.

He committed suicide because he was getting made fun of at school. Would you be defending him as much if he did it because of harassment over his religion, hair color, height, etc.?

Sure, making fun of anybody is wrong. But it happens. Especially with children. For any and every conceivable reason. The rest of us just deal with it.

And how many times have you been to Iraq? Obviously you don't know enough to recognize the term "man-love Thursday".

But once again -- whine about some injustices, but ignore others. It's either all or none, kid. If you want to talk about Islamic culture's treatment of homosexuals, also (at least) mention their (even worse) treatment of Jews, Christians, and women.

"It will mean what it was before" ... you mean happy?

First, because South Park mocks everything, and if they weren't hypocrites, they'd be pissed about everything being mocked. And second, how exactly has the "mormon church [sic]" "hated on the LGBT community since the dawn of time" when the "mormon church [sic]" has only existed for a couple hundred years?

Then where are your posts bitching about their "interepations [sic]" of Christianity, race, God, etc.?

Where is your outrage over abortions, or Muslim wishes to slaughter all Jews and wipe out Israel, or Christians in many African and Asian countries being tortured and murdered? Why do you only care about bad things when they happen to homosexuals? Why do you flat-out ignore (you know, pass off as "trivial") bad things when they happen to any other group of people -- or when they're done by homosexuals?

Says who -- you? GLAAD? "Pink News"? Because nobody else is ever made fun of, right? No, keep trying to label martyrs because they're for your cause but ignoring those of other causes.

Really? Getting beat up is part of everyday life for homosexuals?

The episode took it in the complete opposite direction -- not using "fag" as a "slur" at all. It wasn't a reference to homosexuals, or to "gay hate discrimination".

Because this episode included the word "fag". GLAAD didn't care when they made fun of every other group.

Every 11-year-old is bullied for who he is. Most don't commit suicide over it.

If somebody made a car that blew up when the gas pedal was pushed, would you just say, "Well not all cars are built at the same factory"?

And you would have had every right to. See, in America, we can say things that others might not agree with -- even things that offend others. Like advocating Social Darwinism or soft eugenics, or the word "fag".

He committed suicide because he was getting made fun of at school. Would you be defending him as much if he did it because of harassment over his religion, hair color, height, etc.?


I would, he shouldn't be harassed for being this religion, or being gay or whatever, but I know I wouldn't want that to happen to me, and it has, and even if I wasn't I still would stand up for him.

Sure, making fun of anybody is wrong. But it happens. Especially with children. For any and every conceivable reason. The rest of us just deal with it.


Yeah (most of us) just "deal with it", but for a child 9-11 years old, how are they supposed to "deal with it"?


And how many times have you been to Iraq? Obviously you don't know enough to recognize the term "man-love Thursday".



No I haven't been to Iraq, but I do have a gay pinpal that lives there. Also, you've probarly been to Iraq, have you ever visited the "Iraq Gayborhood"? Or even in a gay nighclub in Iraq? I doubt soldiers would unless it were to shut it down lol.

But once again -- whine about some injustices, but ignore others. It's either all or none, kid. If you want to talk about Islamic culture's treatment of homosexuals, also (at least) mention their (even worse) treatment of Jews, Christians, and women.



Why do you instead on calling me "kid"? Your only three years older then me, get over yourself.

I worry and pray about all the issues facing Iraq, you don't really know me in person, only by a forum on the internet. However homosexual treatment appeals to me because I'm a homosexual man, so of course I put that first, but I do care about others Sasquatch, that is not what is topic is about.


"It will mean what it was before" ... you mean happy?



You know what the meaning is.

First, because South Park mocks everything, and if they weren't hypocrites, they'd be pissed about everything being mocked. And second, how exactly has the "mormon church [sic]" "hated on the LGBT community since the dawn of time" when the "mormon church [sic]" has only existed for a couple hundred years?


If you really read what I posted, you would see that I mentioned the Mormon Church as an example.


Then where are your posts bitching about their "interepations [sic]" of Christianity, race, God, etc.?



Look mate, I just saw this newspost posted online mentioning that episode that aired the other night that I saw, so I decided to post it on here and discuss the episode, not my view of their show or their "interepations", so get off my back.


Where is your outrage over abortions, or Muslim wishes to slaughter all Jews and wipe out Israel, or Christians in many African and Asian countries being tortured and murdered? Why do you only care about bad things when they happen to homosexuals? Why do you flat-out ignore (you know, pass off as "trivial") bad things when they happen to any other group of people -- or when they're done by homosexuals?




My answer to the first part of your questions is listed above.

Why do you only care about bad things when they happen to homosexuals?

Wow, just wow. Here to start?

1.) I'm homosexual
2. ) I can relate because we all have the same experiences.
3.) We most or all got harassed or beaten, or "disowned" by our familes for being "queer".
4.) A Homosexual issue especially for us gay guys can get us into trouble with those who disapprove of our "lifestyle" therefore proceed to think we as gay men are weak little p****** and can't defend ourselves.

5.) Us gays can't get marriages in most states unlike heterosexual couples can. To be treated as equal in the eyes of God, and The Government, and not to be called out or discriminated at work for being gay. Thats the only thing we want and nothing more.

So yeah those in a nutshell is why I care about them because I'm one. And dont get me wrong, I care for all people, I wish women in Iraq and in Amercia can be treated equally especially in the workplace, as well as those of a religious faith and the issues they face. We all want equality, that's one thing that in a way ties us together as a whole. Sure we may have different beliefs and opinons but we still respect each other.

Why do you flat-out ignore (you know, pass off as "trivial") bad things when they happen to any other group of people -- or when they're done by homosexuals?


All of this is answered above mate. Also I don't treat anything or anyone as "trivial" like you, unlike you I wouldn't treat a 11 year old little boy like another weak mortal who can't just suck it up. Nothing is trivial to me, dont just judge me based on this, if we could meet in real life you would see what I mean. Who knows we might even be able to have a intellectual discussion.


Says who -- you? GLAAD? "Pink News"? Because nobody else is ever made fun of, right? No, keep trying to label martyrs because they're for your cause but ignoring those of other causes.



Why do you keep on insisting that I'm "passing off" other issues? Why? Because I don't talk about them? Or I don't make a thread about them? Sasquatch search the achieves on this forum and I bet you won't see not one thread about something like this or about the discrimination of gays, but in this forum, Religion, Women, Muslims, Jews are all defended and discussed.


Can you really blame me for doing something out of the "norm"? Religious threads as well as threads about women are discussed on the forum almost if not everyday, but what about the gays? I want to at least say something or discuss something about homosexuals in the world, that's something that can also bring the forum together as well.

Really? Getting beat up is part of everyday life for homosexuals?



It was for me, and I'm sure it was for others as well.


The episode took it in the complete opposite direction -- not using "fag" as a "slur" at all. It wasn't a reference to homosexuals, or to "gay hate discrimination".


Take that up with GLAAD not me dude. As I stated in my very first post in this topic, I love the show, I'd still watch it regardless, I'm just reporting what I read that is all.


Because this episode included the word "fag". GLAAD didn't care when they made fun of every other group.



Once again, take that up with GLAAD, not me.

Every 11-year-old is bullied for who he is. Most don't commit suicide over it.


Once again, this also shows how insensitive you are man. I agree with you that most 11 year old kids dont commit suicide of this, but did you ever come to ask yourself: Maybe he was suffering with internal emotional issues of his own? Maybe he gets abused at home? Did you think about that dude?


If somebody made a car that blew up when the gas pedal was pushed, would you just say, "Well not all cars are built at the same factory"?


Not all cars are built the same, same with human beings as I recall.

And you would have had every right to. See, in America, we can say things that others might not agree with -- even things that offend others. Like advocating Social Darwinism or soft eugenics, or the word "fag".

True that, America is the "home of the free", the "Place on which equality for all men was made".
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@ Pete:

And lastly, yes it's a shame that kid died, but once again, it's a right of passage to get mocked and picked on as a kid. It happens to everyone for every type or reason. Shit, we even made fun of the rich kids who had every video game system, just as much as the kid who ate a marker in first grade. None of them killed themselves, they just dealt with it and dealt shit back. I was short and fat as a kid, I got tons of shit from everyone. I'm still here.

Maybe this one little boy was different from the rest? He was 11 dude, not 16 or 17, 11. As I mentioned above:


Maybe he was suffering with internal emotional issues of his own? Maybe he gets abused at home? You have to ask yourself these questions. And Sasquatch and you are right not all 11 year olds commit suicide, but something must have really pushed him to that point, he's 11, something more had to be wrong with him.


Sorry, please let's stay on topic.

[chrono]

someone said something you do not like GET OVER IT

do they want the government to ban words George Orwell 1984 style?

i do not like the idea that i cannot publish a book, show or movie if it has certain words or themes. the question i have for gays is do you like freedom or not.

freedom is not just the right to voice opinions on things you take lightly but also on views that you may hold near and dear to your heart.

long story short.....get over it!

[Alpha]

do they want the government to ban words George Orwell 1984 style?

That is a doubleplusgood idea!

i do not like the idea that i cannot publish a book, show or movie if it has certain words or themes. the question i have for gays is do you like freedom or not.

If your theme happened to be about hunting black people for sport, and a publisher had reservations about publishing it, I'd say we would live in a better society. While it's entirely possible that the gay community has overreacted to this controversy, it's a little unfair to say so unless you yourself are affected by it. I don't want mass-censorship '1984-style', but there is a line that is occasionally crossed.

[chrono]

That is a doubleplusgood idea!



If your theme happened to be about hunting black people for sport, and a publisher had reservations about publishing it, I'd say we would live in a better society. While it's entirely possible that the gay community has overreacted to this controversy, it's a little unfair to say so unless you yourself are affected by it. I don't want mass-censorship '1984-style', but there is a line that is occasionally crossed.

you my friend make a great point. would i buy that book.. no. would i be for the book...no. would i make it against the law to publish such a book...no.